Talk:2022 Ürümqi fire

Ethnicity
How many of died People are han chinese and how many are uyghurs? Kaiyr (talk) 09:35, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, it's unclear. There's certainly Uyghurs who died in it, and it's a predominantly non-Uyghur city, but frankly no official death toll has been released and local officials have been inconsistent about the total number dead. The information environment is a bit tough to work with here. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 21:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd like to answer this question as well. I found these sources:
 * Vox: "According to some experts and Uyghur scholars and activists, the fire occurred in a majority Uyghur part of the city, and Uyghur families have been the primary victims of the fire. [...] Although it seems Uyghur lives have been the most affected by the fire and the Covid protocols in Xinjiang, they’re much less likely to protest in Urumqi or elsewhere due to the severe restrictions on their lives, and the possibility that any protest will be understood as a terrorist threat by Beijing and local authorities. [...] Many of the protesters in Urumqi are actually ethnic Han Chinese, as Uyghur human rights lawyer Rayhan Asat noted on Twitter. “Han Chinese people know they will not be punished if they speak against the lockdown,” one Uyghur woman in Urumqi told the Associated Press. “Uyghurs are different. If we dare say such things, we will be taken to prison or to the camps.”"
 * Le Monde with AP: "Most of the protesters visible in the videos were Han Chinese. A Uyghur woman living in Urumqi said it was because Uyghurs were too scared to take to the streets despite their rage. "Han Chinese people know they will not be punished if they speak against the lockdown," she said, declining to be named for fear of retaliation against her family. "Uyghurs are different. If we dare say such things, we will be taken to prison or to the camps.""
 * RFA: "“The Uyghur community is extremely distressed after hearing the horrific news of numerous families losing their lives in the fire,” said Dolkun Isa, president of the World Uyghur Congress."
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 10:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I updated the article accordingly. A455bcd9 (talk) 11:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 1 December 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved (without prejudice to opening an RM to 2022 Ürümqi high-rise fire). (closed by non-admin page mover) Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 15:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

2022 Ürümqi fire → Ürümqi high-rise fire – Looks to be a notable event, so dropping the year is appropriate. Would also be fine with 2022 Ürümqi high-rise fire. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Every event that has a Wikipedia article is notable by definition. However, only those that have a common, near-universally used name should have a title that deviates from WP:NCEVENT, which recommends the descriptive formula "when where what". Tragic as it is, I do not think this is nearly of landmark proportions. I would prefer 2022 Ürümqi high-rise fire to more specifically describe what kind of fire it was. No such user (talk) 09:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with @No such user's reference to WP:NCEVENT in justifying keeping the year, but the title should stay as is. The inclusion of "high-rise" is unnecessary because news articles are interchangeably referring to this event as a "residential high-rise fire," "residential building fire," and "apartment fire." Especially for a Chinese event where English is not the primary language, it may be confusing to add additional identifiers like "high rise" when a date, city, and disaster category are sufficiently descriptive BluePenguin18 🐧  ( 💬 ) 15:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Doesn’t fit.   🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru 🌀  SuperTyphoonNoru (talk) 03:39, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Event date is important addition to the article title Afrique0512 (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and WP:SNOW close early. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I think that the existing name is fine as is. Since there isn't an already existing "2022 Urumqi fire" article on Wikipedia, the current title is sufficient. If in December another notable fire in Urumqi warranting a Wikipedia article were to exist, I'd support a name change for further clarity but with keeping the year and maybe adding the month. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 00:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Death toll
According to:
 * The lead: "Eleven people were killed and an additional ten were injured."
 * The "Fire" section: "Ten people were reported to have died in the fire, including a three-year-old child, and a further nine were injured, according to authorities."
 * The "Uyghur emigrant community" subsection: "She claimed more than 44 people had died in the fire, citing her social media circles."

Who's right? A455bcd9 (talk) 11:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should add Template:Disputed tag?
 * We should probably also have the source of those numbers clearly written as something like "# reported by this authority" CoderThomasB (talk) 01:25, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Li WangSheng's comments
According to the transcript of the press release given by the fire chief Li WangSheng,

1. the resident's "self-preserving abilities" (to save themselves) were weak

2. more importantly, they were "unable to save themselves" due to being unfamiliar with the fire-escape stairs

3. he also mentioned that, in general, familiarity with fire escape staircases will save lives in event of such a fire

I think that the current one-liner about his comments is rather unfair towards him? not to say that I agree with his opinions, but i think the bit about unfamiliarity with fire escape stairs should be added. thanks Benchua467 (talk) 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * transcript taken from https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1750511375025499530 Benchua467 (talk) 12:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)