Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup final/Archive 1

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al rihla
The match ball for the 2022 FIFA World Cup Final and semi-finals, announced on 11 December 2022, features a variation of the Adidas Al-Rihla named the Adidas Al-Hilm, meaning 'The Dream' in Arabic, a reference to every nation's dream of lifting the FIFA World Cup. Whilst the technical aspects of the ball are the same, the colour is different from the Al-Rihla balls used in the group stages and preceding knockout games, with a "Gold Metallic", Maroon, "Collegiate Burgundy", and Red design, a reference to the national colors of host nation Qatar and the golden colors shared by the Final's venue and the FIFA World Cup Trophy. It is the fifth special ball for FIFA World Cup final matches, after the +Teamgeist Berlin (2006), Jo'bulani (2010), Brazuca Final Rio (2014), and Telstar Mechta (2018). HyperionLEO (talk) 10:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Route to the final
are we going to write a lengthy article for the final based on the standards used for past World Cup? hy[Ω]🐐 HyperionLEO (talk). 06:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Request to change the page to semi-protected status
After repeated examples of vandalism by accountless IPs, I request that an administrator example - Lee Vilenski please lock this article page. Thank you hy[Ω]🐐 HyperionLEO (talk). 12:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:RfPP is the correct location for such a request. I have given it temporary autoconfirmed protection. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:17, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 3 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 16:12, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

2022 FIFA World Cup Final → 2022 FIFA World Cup final – per WP:NCCAPS, and consensus at Talk:UEFA Women's Euro 1995 final.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:19, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Please note that the use the uppercase "F" is currently consistent with the other articles in Category:FIFA World Cup finals and the similar Category:FIFA Women's World Cup Finals. This includes two featured articles, 1998 FIFA World Cup Final and 2014 FIFA World Cup Final. Also note that in that Talk:UEFA Women's Euro 1995 final, that rejected RM proposal was the other way, proposing to change from lowercase to uppercase -- big difference if this RM discussion eventually ends with "no consensus". Zzyzx11 (talk) 17:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The proposed title is consistent with the category you linked, as well as some of the items in that category, such as List of FIFA World Cup finals and List of FIFA World Cup final stadiums. BilledMammal (talk) 00:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * argentina won the world cup FireDaFlames (talk) 20:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:TITLECON.  Hansen Sebastian Talk 18:19, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * TITLECON is an essay, not a policy - arguably these should all be lowercase "f", rather than upper case, however, with the final of this event likely to have a very large viewership over the coming days, it's better to focus on this event and it's merits of correct title.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. BilledMammal (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think the full title can be considered a proper noun, and many sources use this capitalization:     . I do not see a compelling reason to change thousands of article titles. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The practice is to use Final.--Island92 (talk) 18:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Why would we want to make this year's FIFA World Cup Final, different from the preceding FIFA World Cup Final pages. GoodDay (talk) 05:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per sources presented by, Final with capital F is used in multiple reliable sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as above. GiantSnowman 20:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – A fair number of reliable sources use the full title as a proper name, and as per WP:TITLECON and WP:CONSISTENT. I am aware of the argument that TITELCON is "only" an essay, but its use is to supplement WP:TITLE and, more specifically, to further explain CONSISTENT. — Jkudlick &#x2693; (talk) 20:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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Dignitaries in attendance
hy[Ω]🐐 HyperionLEO (talk). 21:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 🇶🇦 ,
 * 🇫🇷 Emmanuel Macron, President of France
 * 🇦🇷, (expected)
 * , and all members of the FIFA Council
 * Why would anyone need an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of people in attendance for an event.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * hey, I ain't the one who thinks this is important, or necessary lol. matter of fact, I deleted this section from the actual article. I just posted the source code here in case there's anyone who wants to employ it or discuss about it. hy[Ω]🐐 HyperionLEO (talk). 22:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Seven French substitutions?
How could France make seven substitutions? Was one of them a "concussion substitution" (or whatever it's called)? Which, in that case? 20:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC) Fomalhaut76 (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It was the Rabiot injury.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:16, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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Player of the match wording
The award is "player of the match" per this image and source. It is not man of the match.—Bagumba (talk) 21:07, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The practice is Man of the match on English Wikipedia.--Island92 (talk) 21:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * FIFA World Cup awards suggests "man" was last used in 2018. If FIFA has "player" on the award now, I don't see why we would use an incorrect name for a 2022-related page. —Bagumba (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. If FIFA has agreed on being the "Player of the match", then we should follow it rather than doing the opposite. JoshuaInWiki (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, but in that case we need to either start an RFC or some sort of village pump, as there are dozens of articles with this wording. Wretchskull (talk) 13:45, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wretchskull: My question here is solely for 2022. I'm not pursuing past years, as I can respect if "man of the match" should happen to remain there, as that was at least the actual name of the award at the time. That seems like an independent discussion, if someone wants to pursue it. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2022
In the first paragraph, the phrase "The final took place in front of 88,966 supporters..." appears to be false and should either be corrected or removed. Lusail Stadium's published capacity is exactly 88,966 spectators. Several sources (references below plus Twitter search queries) state and show evidence that there were many empty seats during the final match. It is not possible for the match to take place in front of 88,966 supporters AND for there to be empty seats. The assertion that the stadium was at full capacity at any point in time is at best questionable. References: https://sports.yahoo.com/embarrassing-world-cup-final-plays-162458869.html https://technosports.co.in/2022/12/19/fifa-world-cup-final-france-argentin/ https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/final-empty-seats-argentina-france-qatar-b2247556.html CelsFraz (talk) 05:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If every official source says that the capacity was 88,966 then we will use 88,966, even if 50% of the stadium would be empty. Snowflake91  (talk) 10:41, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Per above, see WP:VNT. Bsoyka  ( talk ) 16:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

only second time silver boot had more than 6 goals
The only other time the #2 scorer at the tournement had more than 6 goals was Jairzinho in 1970 also with 7. 194.102.58.6 (talk) 14:01, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok? That seems like it's not really important  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

first time defeated finalist scored 3 goals
194.102.58.6 (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Use picture of celebration like previous pictures?
Shouldn't a picture of the team celebrating be used in the lead, like previous wikipedia pages? Phillip Samuel (talk) 23:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If there is a freely licenced image of it, that would be acceptable. I believe we had one, but it was deleted as a copyright violation. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:04, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Is French supporters gone too far?
There's a ton of news articles about the petition to rematch the final by French supporters in mesopinions.com and it gathered 200 thousand signatures from French supporters! Do anyone think that anyone gonna put this on the "Post match" section? Nobi-Wiki (talk) 03:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * No, why would we? What reason have the French supporters given for thinking the match should be replayed? They just fancy another go? – PeeJay 12:30, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Verifiability
What is the verifiability and source for this claim?

"Universally recognized as the greatest World Cup final and arguably best football game of all time due to the Hollywoodesque back and forth and intensity."

Ata1334 (talk) 02:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think improvements can be made to the sentence, but you can easily find countless sources claiming that this was the greatest WC final. I dont edit much, but adding some references would be good.  → Call me  Razr Nation 03:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Post-match
I was wondering is it worthible to mention in the article records which published Sundar Pichai and Mark Zuckerberg in the media:

Search recorded its highest ever traffic in 25 years during the final of #FIFAWorldCup 1, it was like the entire world was searching about one thing!

and

''Leo Messi's World Cup post is now the most liked in Instagram history. WhatsApp also reached a record 25 million messages per second during the final.''

At least Google Search record and Whatsapp record but I only quoted what Pichai and Zuckerberg said in publicity. Obviousy there are plenty various sources for that Dawid2009 (talk) 11:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * yes we should quote it hy[Ω]🐐 HyperionLEO (talk). 12:25, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I am going to move some content from List of most-liked Instagram posts (with sayig coauthors in edit summary), and additionally use that sources:, . If there will be no opposition this weekend, the I will do it by WP:Bold. Cheers. Dawid2009 (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

added considerably to the summary
i've added a considerably amount of detail to the summary 2001:8F8:173D:AEA6:F10E:7585:374E:E519 (talk) 08:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

English
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Unused substitutes
Surely they should be listed somewhere? 2A00:23C7:9D07:6901:E174:27CA:44D6:6721 (talk) 15:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * All players who were in the squads would qualify for this, and we already have 2022 FIFA World Cup squads.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)