Talk:2022 Luzon earthquake

The name should specify the location (2022 Abra earthquake)
While the earthquake itself is situated on the island of Luzon, most sources specify the exact location of where the epicenter was located. While most generalizations just say it was in Luzon, the same logic can't be applied to other regions of the Philippines, or any other rural area in the world for that matter. Numerous other earthquakes that have been located within the Luzon mainland don't have the article name of Luzon but rather their rural names (e.g. 1968 Casiguran earthquake, 1973 Ragay Gulf earthquake and so on). So why can't we do the same for this article? Like I said, numerous sources state the name Abra so we could use that name rather generalizing more basic names.

Some sources:

- https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/27/22/magnitude-73-quake-jolts-abra-felt-in-metro-manila

- https://tribune.net.ph/index.php/2022/07/27/magnitude-7-3-quake-jolts-lagangilang-abra/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=magnitude-7-3-quake-jolts-lagangilang-abra

- https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/scitech/science/839527/magnitude-7-3-quake-jolts-abra-felt-in-metro-manila/story/

- https://www.rappler.com/nation/luzon/abra-earthquake-july-27-2022/ Moctiwiki (talk) 02:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Luzon earthquake is WP:COMMONNAME. Sources says an earthquake "struck Abra", none refers to "Abra earthquake''. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 04:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

That’s… literally the same thing. Also while yes it does go with commmon names, let’s take into account other earthquakes with less common names, should those be changed? 1968 Casiguran, 1970 Ragay Gulf, 1948 Lady Caycay? Moctiwiki (talk) 05:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Not the same. "Abra earthquake" infers an event name. "an earthquake struck Abra" is a description of the event. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, specific names for specific cited earthquakes should be recognized rather than normalizing much generalized names, that may spark confusion without specification. Also I have done some searching and multiple sources have mentioned '...Abra quake/earthquake' when referring to this event:
 * - https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/07/27/2198336/ndrrmc-one-fatality-reported-after-abra-quake-damage-assessments-ongoing
 * - https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/07/27/2198320/damage-households-establishments-reported-after-abra-quake
 * - https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/07/27/2198332/marcos-visit-abra-after-magnitude-70-quake
 * - https://mb.com.ph/2022/07/27/marcos-assures-assistance-for-abra-quake-victims/
 * - https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motoring-news/lrt-2-mrt-3-suspend-operations-earthquake-a2619-20220727
 * and so on. Moctiwiki (talk) 07:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Common name is to make searching for the articles easier. FYI 1968 Casiguran is named LUZON1968 by the ISC. The impacts of this earthquake is well beyond Abra, so Luzon as a general name should be used. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 08:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I’m sure searching it with Abra as the name won’t be difficult to scavenge considering redirects, links and simple google auto searching can determine what event you're talking about with info context. And do tell me, why did they name the 2013 Bohol earthquake as such while damage was seen as far as Northern Mindanao? Moctiwiki (talk) 08:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Moctiwiki We are not here to discuss the naming convention of other articles in an attempt to nitpick the Luzon earthquake name. If you believe 2022 Luzon earthquake is not appropriate, start a discussion to rename the article. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 09:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Can I also acknowledge the multiple foreign government agencies who also call the event as the ‘Abra earthquake’ Moctiwiki (talk) 09:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @Moctiwiki I suggest, start a discussion to rename this article. See more information. Requested moves  HurricaneEdgar    09:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I mean, this is already a discussion and while normally I would directly move this article to the 2022 Abra earthquake, I still would want to here some points that people make to contradict my point Moctiwiki (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Nominate for ITN blurb?
Should we nominate an ITN blurb about the earthquake and link it to this article? after all, it caused significant damages in affected regions.

hi im me Rc453632 05:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Put it on hold. Damage and casualties are minimal and may not meet ITN guidelines. I'd suggest waiting a while more. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rc453632 The casualties have risen but not by much, though damage is extensive. At this time, you may nominate it for ITN. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 27 July 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that Luzon is more in line with naming policy. Closed early per WP:SNOW. –– FormalDude   talk   04:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC) (closed by non-admin page mover)

2022 Luzon earthquake → 2022 Abra earthquake – The article should be renamed to '2022 Abra earthquake' due to the fact that multiple sources use this name to specify this location when reffering to the epicenter, which is situated in the province. The name is also appropriate when being more specific on the location itself, reffering to the entire island would be simply confusing as not all of Luzon was affected from this event. And while yes, some other provinces were also affected other than Abra, calling it the Luzon earthquake would just be as unpractical, regions in the south of the island barely felt the earthquake.&#32;Moctiwiki (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC) 📝 "Don't get complacent..." 03:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Moctiwiki (talk) 09:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that I have adjusted the indentation for the discussion below to use only asterisks instead of a mix of asterisks and colons, per WP:THREAD. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍  ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"


 * Oppose – per WP:COMMONNAME, Luzon is easily recognizable to most readers, unlike Abra. Wikipedia title is to make looking for the article easier, not about the official name given. --Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 09:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is more likely to be a descriptive title, and the request does not mention an official name. I find it unlikely that the current title qualifies as the common name less than 12 hours after the event took place. Dekimasu よ! 10:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, Luzon is a massive island. Abra is more specific and is used by sources. If readers are not aware of Luzonian geography, it is our duty to inform, just as we would for events on Japanese or British islands.PrisonerB (talk) 09:55, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I tend to think that the more specific title would be more informative, but there are several examples of other earthquakes using titles referring to the entire island: 2019 Luzon earthquake, 1999 Luzon earthquake, 1983 Luzon earthquake, etc. Dekimasu よ! 10:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Those articles are giving me even more reasons to want this move to be done. (excluding the 1990 Luzon earthquake) The 2019 earthquake was mostly situated in Pampanga and Zambales, the 1999 event entirely struck the Province of Zambales and the 1983 event (which was previously named the 1983 Laoag earthquake) was in Ilocos. The term of Luzon tells people that the entire island was affected while in reality it only hit specific areas. Unlike islands such as Java in Indonesia where there's only a small area to fill in, Luzon is huge and diverse with different regions and styles with their own right. Moctiwiki (talk) 11:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Luzon: 109,965 km2 (42,458 sq mi)
 * Java: 124,413 km2 (48,036 sq mi) Howard the Duck (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per WP:COMMONNAME, Please You Don't Move This Article Plutonium-244 RE 1797-84 (talk) 10:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Very late reponse to this comment but WP:COMMONNAME has been broken numerous times. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Luzon is more recognizable than Abra (a place that I'd never heard of until today). International news sources are generally using Luzon or North Philippines. The current name is precise enough, unless another notable Luzon earthquake happens this year, in which case we normally disambiguate using the month. The current name is consistent with the naming of most other Luzon earthquakes. That covers three of the five points that should be considered when deciding on an article's title - see WP:CRITERIA. Mikenorton (talk) 10:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * International agencies have repeatedly mentioned Abra when metioning this event. Calling it the Luzon earthquake would be just as confusing to locals and even foreigners as Luzon is a huge island. And now that I think of it, 2022 North Luzon earthquake doesn't sound as bad. Moctiwiki (talk) 10:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The first OCHA report mentions significant damage, building collapse, landslides etc. affecting Ilocos Sur and Benguet in addition to Abra. Mikenorton (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Im talking about How the earthquake was referred to by foreign sources, which I just said, mosly highlighted the province of Abra. (Frequently found in Rappler’s foreign reports https://www.rappler.com/nation/luzon/earthquake-updates-news-information-areas-affected-damage-aftershocks-july-2022/) Moctiwiki (talk) 16:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Since wikis from other languages are already named after this page, it would be rather difficult to rename them all. Plus, the wikidata for this page is already named after here. Siuhl10 (talk) 10:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Moving pages is also available in other languages and honestly the wikidata can still stick to that name considering Abra is in Northern Luzon. Moctiwiki (talk) 10:58, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not just Abra was hit by the earthquake, if moved, then it would be like Abra is the only one that was hit by the earthquake. The entire Luzon was hit. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 10:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The same logic can be observed with naming it "The 2022 Luzon earthquake". Luzon is a large island, one of the largest in the world. What about the southern provinces in Luzon like Camarines Sur or Quezon Province? Northern Luzon can be a much better name rather than blatantly pointing out an island with multiple regions, most of which didn't even feel the earthquake. Moctiwiki (talk) 11:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moctiwiki sorry but many of the other parts of our main island experienced varying degrees of tremors. Tremors were felt as far as Camarines Norte, with several residences in Daet having swaying fixtures and employees of Capalonga's municipal (town) hall fleeing for safety to the town hall grounds. (ABS-CBN News' TV Patrol report in Tagalog). Going to our province, Pulilan registered instrumental intensity III (FB post of the town's municipal disaster risk reduction office). We personally felt the quake here in this part of Bulacan, tremors lasted for not less than 30 seconds. In Metro Manila, the city of Valenzuela registered an instrumental intensity II (FB post of the city's official FB page). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 14:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I misjudged that last sentence I said and I do apologize for it, but yet again, there hasn't been any report of damage observed within the southern reaches of Luzon. Most of the reports just come form the Cordillera region or basically most of Northern Luzon. Moctiwiki (talk) 02:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

📝 "Don't get complacent..." 04:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose I would like to point out two things for my argument. First, Luzon is a much more recognizable place than Abra. Personally, I have never heard of Abra in my entire life, and neither does anyone I know.
 * Second, Renaming the article will make the earthquake sound much weaker than it actually is, implying that only Abra was affected by the quake. If I saw the article named as "2022 Abra earthquake", I would personally think that it's a magnitude 4 or less. This quake is a magnitude 7, and was felt throughout Luzon, not just in Abra. Renaming the article will severely damage Wikipedia's credibility in the wake of the disaster. Taiwanexplorer36051 (talk) 12:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's just like how the article 2016 southern Taiwan earthquake was named. Although Tainan was the worst affected area, but the entirety of southern Taiwan was affected by the quake. Taiwanexplorer36051 (talk) 13:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I do have to agree with your first point, but your second argument is lightly put, nonsensical. A name of a location can't determine the strenghth of an earthquake in any way. Also what do you mean you would think it was a magntitude 4 earthquake? If you never knew where Abra was in the first place, how could you guarantee that the earthquake was weak simply based on a location that you never even knew existed? Also you do realize creating articles for weak events defies Wikipedia's notability guidelines. For your third point, I also agree on a less specific but location accurate title for this event. But I still do stand on an Abra article. Moctiwiki (talk) 13:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also to (kind of) defy your argument, here are some events with never before heard names:
 * 2021 Chignik earthquake (Alaska)
 * 1954 Rainbow Mountain-Fairview Peak-Dixie Valley earthquakes (Nevada, also what kind of name is this?)
 * 1948 Lady Caycay earthquake (Antique, Philippines)
 * and the list goes on Moctiwiki (talk) 14:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * hope you actually respond unlike the others Moctiwiki (talk) 14:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moctiwiki While you may defend your stance, please be civil, constructive and respectful in this discussion. You seem to think everybody is against you in this discussion. Editors who have contributed to the discussion have good faith with the intention of improving Wikipedia. Their arguments (including mine) against the rename is because we believe it isn't an improvement to the project. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 14:16, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also im simply doin Filipino earthquake articles a favor by putting an end to general unspecified locations as titles (notably the Luzon line-up) Moctiwiki (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moctiwiki, please see WP:OTHERCONTENT. Whether other earthquake articles are titled with more specific location names, like cities or provinces, has no bearing on whether we should do the same here. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍  ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"


 * I apologize for my quite rude language. I was just utterly confused by their point. I do believe everyone is capable of doing good in this website Moctiwiki (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's okay. Everyone has the right to express their opinions. Taiwanexplorer36051 (talk) 02:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment The third revision of the bulletin has been released (https://earthquake.phivolcs.dost.gov.ph/2022_Earthquake_Information/July/2022_0727_0043_B3F.html), and it places nearly every part of Luzon (except for Sorsogon, the southernmost part) as affected areas (even if it only amounted to minor shaking). - 2001:4453:513:AC00:E985:44EC:7516:FD79 (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - COMMONNAME is key. Searching the exact phrase "Luzon earthquake" in Google turns up 38k hits, whereas the exact phrase "Abra earthquake" turns up only 6.k hits. Compare the two search terms in Google Trends.
 * Oh, and if we're gonna go with a COMMONNAME argument, here are a list of articles from reliable (mostly Philippine) sources that call it a "Luzon earthquake / quake". Note that I list a maximum of three articles per source.


 * Philippine Daily Inquirer (During this hunt, I found more than three articles from this RS that contain the term)
 * 7.0 Luzon earthquake: 5 dead, 1,200 structures damaged
 * Bongbong Marcos urges Filipinos to 'unite, rise from the challenge' after powerful Luzon quake
 * MRT, LRT operations suspended after strong Luzon quake
 * Rappler (ditto w Inquirer)
 * Luzon Earthquake: Updates, areas affected, damage, aftershocks
 * What we know so far: Luzon earthquake on July 27
 * At least 4 dead in Cordillera after Luzon earthquake – DILG
 * CNN Philippines (ditto w above)
 * Strong Luzon quake damages 35 schools, reconstruction pegged at ₱228M
 * Look: Strong Luzon quake damages historic sites
 * Normal operations in airports, railways after strong Luzon quake
 * ABS-CBN (ditto w above)
 * NHCP to help restore, rebuild historic sites damaged by Luzon earthquake
 * 5 reported dead, 64 wounded in powerful Luzon earthquake, says NDRRMC
 * Disaster relief budget ready for areas affected by Luzon quake, says Budget dept
 * Manila Bulletin
 * Luzon quake shows immediate need for DDR, says Cong Duterte
 * More aftershocks recorded after 7.0-magnitude northwestern Luzon quake
 * DepEd leaves decision to suspend work, classes to LGUs after 7.0-magnitude Luzon quake
 * The Philippine News Agency
 * Catholic prelates offer prayers for Luzon quake victims
 * 3.4K families displaced by Luzon quake: NDRRMC
 * Channel News Asia
 * Daily round-up, Jul 27: A couple who fell for the Tradenation luxury scam; the deadly Luzon quake; new studies on the COVID-19 pandemic source
 * The Philippine Star
 * "The number of dead due to the northern Luzon earthquake has risen to four"


 * Here are the articles that call it an Abra earthquake/quake:


 * ABS-CBN
 * 35 schools damaged by magnitude 7 Abra quake
 * Philippine Daily Inquirer
 * Phivolcs classifies Abra quake as 'major earthquake'; aftershocks to last for months
 * The Philippine News Agency
 * Abra quake generates over 800 aftershocks in 24 hours
 * The Manila Times
 * "the Abra earthquake was tectonic in origin, Phivolcs said"
 * The Philippine Star
 * In photos: Aftermath of the magnitude-7.0 Abra quake
 * 4 dead, 60 injured in strong Abra quake
 * Nearly 13K people in Cordillera affected by Abra quake — NDRRMC
 * GMA News (During this hunt, I found more than three articles from this RS that contain the term)
 * 4 dead, 64 hurt due to magnitude 7 Abra quake — OCD
 * Abra earthquake caused power interruptions in several areas —DOE
 * NDRRMC: Abra quake toll now at 4 dead, 131 hurt

📝 "Don't get complacent..." 03:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Going by the following sample of articles, I'd say the use of "Luzon earthquake" in RS sufficiently outweights "Abra earthquake" or the like. The article title can stay. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍  ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"


 * There has been an increase of info mentioning both titles but I have noticed that most sources state the name "Abra earthquake" since the past 12-24 or so hours so i'm just gonna place a few here (I'm also gonna add some articles mentioning the current name within the same timeframe):


 * Ilocos Norte health workers, rescue teams aid Abra quake victims
 * Work, classes suspended in parts of Ilocos Norte after Abra quake
 * Ilocos Norte health workers, rescue teams aid Abra quake victims
 * Senators push for creation of DDR after Abra quake
 * Over 200 aftershocks recorded from Abra earthquake


 * 808 aftershocks recorded so far after Abra earthquake
 * Phivolcs classifies Abra quake as ‘major earthquake’; aftershocks to last for months
 * 5 now dead in Abra earthquake, says NDRRMC
 * Bongbong Marcos after Abra earthquake: ‘Everything that can be done has been done’
 * Prayers pour in after powerful Abra earthquake
 * After Abra quake, Dep’t. of Disaster Resilience creation gets House support
 * DPWH: 14 nat’l roads closed due to landslides, damage after Abra quake


 * Over 1.2K people evacuated in Ilocos region due to Abra quake —NDRRMC
 * No damage in telecom facilities after Abra quake — DICT
 * Donation drives launched for victims of powerful Abra quake
 * 8K schools affected, 35 damaged by powerful Abra quake —DepEd
 * NDRRMC: Abra quake toll now at 4 dead, 131 hurt


 * No tsunami threat from 7.0-magnitude Abra quake — Phivolcs
 * Strong Abra quake damages Vigan Cathedral, Bantay Bell Tower in Ilocos Sur

<sub style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">📝 "Don't get complacent..." 13:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC) <sub style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">📝 "Don't get complacent..." 12:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hang on I'm gonna add more soon as I skim the internet with visible media Moctiwiki (talk) 09:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh my this is messy, I apologize in advance for the text wall but it was for necessary terms. Moctiwiki (talk) 09:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed the formatting for ya. Just to clarify to any readers, the "increase of info mentioning both titles" comment is not from me. <b style="border-radius:3em;padding:4px;background:#926f52;color:white;">‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ </b> ‍ <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left"><sup style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">💬 "What did I tell you?"
 * Support (partly): I agree that the article could use a renaming, but Abra is too specific. 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake is a much better alternative name, since it specifies the affected area but people will still know where it is. MagikMan1337 (talk) 03:35, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree on this idea. At least we can give even more context on the location of this event rather than blatantly pointing our a large island spanning all directions. Moctiwiki (talk) 10:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose Luzon earthquake is WP:COMMONNAME.  HurricaneEdgar    03:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As people have said multiple times, Luzon is a large island, with different regions with different familiarities. Renaming it to something like 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake can more than enough help the viewer identify the accurate and precise location rather than letting them figure out themselves without any context on Philippine political borders Moctiwiki (talk) 10:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moctiwiki If we use the Northern Luzon earthquake, the northern luzon one that was hit by the earthquake. Google search terms: 2022 Luzon earthquake (about 770,000), "2022 Northern Luzon earthquake." (about 277,000) see Google Trends for comparison. HurricaneEdgar    11:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Source relativity is a thing when searching in Google. Even if you get the largest difference in titles, you can still have a large chance of getting the article you are looking for. Northern Luzon and Luzon are a word different from each other so even if you searched 2022 Luzon earthquake, the title of 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake can still show up. Moctiwiki (talk) 13:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If this is your argument, I don't see a pressing need to add "Northern" into the title. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 14:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if the searcher types on the name Luzon earthquake, they wiuld wonder where in Luzon did the earthquake occur, so adding a small context clue such as adding "Northern' can greatly help the viewer learn a buit more information on this event. Also this is obviously not my main argument here. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Abra is a less recognizable article name plus Luzon is a more universal name; if you check news articles from worldwide agencies Luzon is used more rather than Abra since Abra is too localized. Philippines is a decently big country therefore using more universal name than local names is more sensical. I'd also like to add that there are a few more earthquakes on Luzon with the name Luzon in it's title. Reego41 13:17, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have already stated my reasons explaining how Abra is just as mentioned in international news so I'm just gonna put a few links here instead
 * - Philippines: Abra Earthquake - Flash Update No. 1 (As of 27 July 2022, 9 p.m. local time)
 * - Five dead, 60 hurt as earthquake hits northern Philippines the summary below the title reads "Shallow quake was measured at above 7 magnitude and collapsed buildings near the epicentre in northern Abra province."
 * - Residents of Abra province in the Philippines sleep outside in fear of earthquake aftershocks
 * - 2 killed, dozens injured in strong earthquake rattling northern Philippines the description of the first image found in the article states "A house is seen tilting on its side after an earthquake in Abra Province, the Philippines, July 27, 2022. An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 7.3 rattled Abra province in the northern Philippines on Wednesday, the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology said. The institute said the quake, which occurred at 8:43 a.m. local time (0043 GMT), hit at a depth of 25 km, about 2 km northeast of Lagangilang town."
 * and there are possibly even more articles and news reports mentioning Abra internationally. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also i'm sure international audiences would have already heard the name Abra atleast once in any news report or article Moctiwiki (talk) 01:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have checked tens and tens of international articles in many other countries and they all have it as Luzon in the title. You know sometimes not all people read the articles, and they just read the title and scroll by therefore what it says in the content does not matter as much as the title. Also, there are a lot of other earthquake articles with a more general/universal name with news articles saying the more general name in the title and a localized unit of governance inside of the article.
 * There's also this; would renaming this article effect it positively? How would it help? Luzon is a better name and you have 1 reasoning to rename this and that is because it is included in a title of like 5 articles. Well compared to articles including "Luzon" in it's title that number is absolutely nothing. Looking at your newer, other reasoning, you say that since the affects are more localized it should be named to Abra and this current name would be "impractical". I would maybe agree with you if this was a lower magnitude however since it's a magnitude 7 - which the Luzon area's last magnitude 7 was 22 years ago - it probably should stay as Luzon since the effects were a bit more widespread and you don't see these everyday in Luzon. Reego41 12:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Reego41, to help RM closers, it would probably help to list a sample of such international articles here. <b style="border-radius:3em;padding:4px;background:#926f52;color:white;">‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ </b> ‍ <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left"><sup style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">💬 "What did I tell you?"
 * Firstly, I would love to see some international articles that state the name Luzon in the articles because from my genuine search, the closest thing I could find to the general name of Luzon was "Northern Philippines...". Also, there are some articles that provide minature summaries below their titles to provide the viewer at least a little bit of context.
 * Secondly, like I said in my first sentence, most international sources state the name Northern Philippines earthquake or sometimes "The earthquake that struck Abra Province". And most local sources state the name Abra quake, or to be more specific "Lindol sa Abra"; "Yung yumanig sa Abra"; "And 7.0 magnitude na lindol sa Abra/may Cordillera" (Based on both written articles and television reports).
 * Thirdly, the reason I started this discussion on change is becuase coming from a Filipino myself, Luzon has been a standardized name to mean all provinces, including Manila, when only a specifc region was affected. The media always presents events as if an area more than 60 km away from the capital has affected the entire general area, exacerbating the effects as if the entire nation was in jeopardy.
 * Additionally, while yes this was the largest felt earthquake to hit the entirety Luzon in 22 or so years, it wasn't the worst. The 2019 earthquake that hit Central Luzon would be the holder of that title, killing 18 people and causing an estimated 10.5 million US dollars in damages. It also affected areas as far south as the Province of Quezon and actually caused significant damage reports in the capital of Manila. Moctiwiki (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Correction on the last part, it actually affected areas as far south as Sorsogon, causing major power outages in the province and other regions north of it Moctiwiki (talk) 07:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment and Suggestion - If it's possible, perhaps that it will need to stay with the 2022 Luzon earthquake, since a lot of news media organizations worldwide (excluding domestic ones) may or may not recognize Abra, thus it would be downplaying the risk assessment of a natural disaster at first glance, since, even though the epicenter is right within Abra, the shockwave energy generated by the moving fault lines will always radiate around several hundreds of miles and will still cause some damage all over Northern and Central Luzon, and it may also reach the NCR. For the sake of location simplicity while also retaining the impact and attention of the story, however, it can be named to just 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake, 2022 Cordillera Region earthquake, or 2022 Abra River Fault earthquake (assuming if there would be ever any mentions from both domestic and international news agencies of that term, or if domestic/regional border politics can accept it), otherwise, put in the summary paragraph in (a.k.a. / also known "locally" as) if they're unable to cut it. ROBLOXGamingDavid (talk) 14:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I am more fond on the name 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake considering most of the areas most affected was located on the Northern parts of the island, naming it The Cordillera quake would exclude other provinces nart part of the political region who also experienced damage. Moctiwiki (talk) 02:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant to say”— not part of—“ not nart part lol Moctiwiki (talk) 02:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Closure requests Can anyone please close this discussion per WP:SNOW.  HurricaneEdgar    14:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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Benguet section
Hi guys I lived in Baguio, can we add at the Benguet section that Mayor Benjamin Magalong suspended the works and classes of the city due to the earthquake? Source. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

<sub style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">📝 "Don't get complacent..." 14:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wut I thought this only affected Abra? (See above LOL) Howard the Duck (talk) 13:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ... i really hope you're joking <b style="border-radius:3em;padding:4px;background:#926f52;color:white;">‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ </b> ‍ <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left"><sup style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">💬 "What did I tell you?"
 * Oh please, just because an article is named after a specific place doesn't automatically mean the damage or affected area is only situated within that single area. By looking at the name Luzon, viewers would think that the entirety of the island experienced damage and was fully affected, except it didn't, most damage was in the Cordillera Region in Northern Luzon. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And I do think joking on this situation is quite rude and childish, dark humor can be appropriated, but this is a formal discussion, not a comedy bar. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * World War I didn't affect the entire world, but here we are. Granted, "World War I" is a proper name vs. the current and any suggested titles that are WP:NDESC, but I suppose proper names of events evolved that way. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It... literally did, on so many different aspects. Colonies were a thing which meant that even colonies were still part of the war if their colonizers participated in such. Also what did World War I have to do with this discussion at all? I supposed you haven't read WP:OTHERCONTENT of which I fell mistake to at first. Moctiwiki (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, Baguio isn't strictly a part of Benguet (it's a highly urbanized city). A separate section for Baguio outside of Benguet can be created, tho. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Um please answer my question HAHAHHHAHA. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 02:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You are perfectly free to add any new information, and since there's already a Benguet section you can add that information there as well. Moctiwiki (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If there's difficulty understanding "A separate section for Baguio outside of Benguet can be created, tho," please let me know!
 * If there's difficulty understanding "Baguio isn't strictly a part of Benguet," please let me know! Howard the Duck (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sub-sections exist, so we can make a separate subsection for Baguio inside the Benguet section. Baguio may be an independent city, but it's still part of Benguet for the msot part, just like other independent cities in different Provinces. Moctiwiki (talk) 12:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not "still part of Benguet for the msot part, just like other independent cities". It is not, like all independent cities. The governor of Benguet has no say with how the city is run.
 * People should've noticed this when how the Duterte administration handed down quarantines and some random cities are separated. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Howard's right. Out of 146 incorporated cities here, 33 of these (all 16 Metro Manilan cities and a few ones outside the capital region) are independent cities, nicely labelled as highly urbanized cities. The mapmakers here s**k by not adding boundaries in many chart-type maps here, in the name of "cartographical convenience." HUCs can be compared to Virginian cities in the U.S. state of Virginia: Virginian cities are always separate from counties. Only towns and villages populate the Virginian counties. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

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@User:Cortezjayel stop making non-constructive edits in the infobox. You are not to use the marker in that manner and all your edits have been reverted. I will have you reported to the Administrators' noticeboard if you do it again. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 08:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)