Talk:2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours (Boris Johnson)

Honours listed in wrong article
This article refers to the Resignation Honours, but the actual honourees are listed in the 2022 Political Honours article. Should they not be moved to this page instead? OGBC1992 (talk) 11:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OGBC1992 I'd agree, the blanket "political honours" now being issued might fall under different categories, but who ever the press officer is doesn't know the differences. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 05:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

No. They should be removed from this page as this is not the resignation list. See here and here. Rrius (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 20 October 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus, premature, speculative. If and when there is a similar article for Liz Truss, the discussion can be revisited. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 20:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours → September 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours – Following the resignation of Liz Truss, it is likely she will have her own resignation honours. We will therefore need another article (October 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours?) in due course. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:43, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Now being reported in The Telegraph and Evening Standard XxLuckyCxX (talk) 12:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Surely if it should be moved it should be titled October 2022 Prime Minister’s Resignation Honours, as that is the month they were issued.

That said, there is no guarantee that Liz Truss’ list will be published in 2022 so perhaps hold fire for now? OGBC1992 (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * If it was moved to October that would cause confusion since Liz Truss resigned in the month of October unlike Boris. AviationEnzo (talk) 12:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I oppose the move as premature and speculative. --Killuminator (talk) 07:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

In which case, title them 2022 Prime Minister’s Resignation Honours (Johnson) and 2022 Prime Minister’s Resignation Honours (Truss). If indeed she gets one - this whole discussion is conjecture currently. OGBC1992 (talk) 13:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose Deal with it when and if it happens.  Schwede 66  13:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Criticism
Main stream media and statements from elected politicians in reliable published sources are awash with criticism of this list. I'm surprised there is no mention of this in the article. 31.121.159.250 (talk) 14:11, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Give some examples of the sort of criticism you mean. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You've not seen any criticism? It all passed through without a murmur? I think Nadine Dorries might disagree with you, for one. How about: "Rishi Sunak is facing calls to delay or cancel Boris Johnson’s resignation honours list rewarding dozens of his allies after the former prime minister was reported to police over fresh Partygate allegations."? That was back on 24 May, i.e. over three weeks ago? 86.187.228.40 (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't say I hadn't seen any criticism, but I wanted to check what you meant by criticism. I think the list was kept secret until it had passed through and been pruned by 'the process', and any criticism before that was based purely on speculation as to who may have been on it. Sure there will be political posturing by opposition parties, but I'm not sure that is notable as it is what they are paid to do. As the example you give is from The Guardian anyway, I think it should be should be treated with caution as that has a black mark against it in WP:RSP, which says: Some editors believe The Guardian is biased or opinionated for politics. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah yes ok, dodgy leftist pinko propaganda, etc. How about The Independent: "Covid victim’s daughter says Boris Johnson’s honours list is ‘tainted with blood’ after Partygate video" I'm sure other sources can very easily found. Boris may have been dreaming up his "grace and favour" list for months. This controversy is happening now, coincidentally on the eve of the Commons reviewing the Privileges Committee report. 86.187.227.64 (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That one in the Independent looks like an irrational and undue soundbite from a non-notable person, probably carefully selected by them for maximum sensationalist impact on the eve of the Commons reviewing the Privileges Committee report. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that the Institute for Government source here is neither dodgy leftist pinko propaganda, nor "an irrational and undue soundbite from a non-notable person." So I have added it to the Controversy section of the article. It seems perfectly well balanced and reasonable. 86.187.235.226 (talk) 16:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Controversy
Nine days ago The Independent said: "Rishi Sunak has been accused of allowing Boris Johnson to hand out rewards to those involved in the Partygate scandal, including more than 40 honours and peerages for his closest allies at the time." And yesterday many press reports mentioned those Tory staff who had received honours who were also to be seen in the video footage of the 14 December 2020 Christmas party at Conservative Campaign Headquarters, published by the Daily Mirror. Surely these are linked? So mention of them here is hardly "irrelevant", even if this video was released "months after the list was submitted, and after the list had been endorsed"? How can these things not be linked? 86.187.228.40 (talk) 16:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Year
Both Johnson and Truss resigned in 2022 and have their resignation honours announced in 2023. Why are the years of articles different? Mike Rohsopht (talk) 03:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree; the precedent is that each article is titled by the year of the resignation, not the year the honours were Gazetted. In which case, they should both be 2022 - perhaps 2022 PmRH (Johnson) and 2022 PmRH (Truss)? OGBC1992 (talk) 07:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've tried a different format where they're both on the same page. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 10:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why the year is used rather than just the PM's name, that would eliminate that source of confusion. -- DeFacto (talk). 11:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thirteen prime ministers have served two terms? Although I don't now if they all gave honours each time (or even if we have articles for any of them). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Proposed renaming
I propose we rename this article "2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours (Johnson)", with the page currently titled 2023 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours renamed "2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours (Truss)".

There is clear precedent, from every previous Resignation Honours list, for them to be titled with the year that the Prime Minister in question resigned. Wikipedia lists Honours lists under the titles of years they relate to, even if they are gazetted or published a different year - most New Years Honours lists, for example, are published in December of the previous year.

To have one article titled 2022 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours and another titled 2023 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours is misleading and unhelpful, particularly given that both resignations came in 2022, but both honours lists were published in 2023. OGBC1992 (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)