Talk:2023–2024 Manipur violence/Archive 2

Recent edits - Oct 2023
I have reverted your most recent edits. This is done because the reporting from Manipur has become increasingly partisan, as reported in this editors guild report. As a result, any news/opinion from Manipur has to be vetted and corroborated, and cannot be used directly.

Chaipau (talk) 19:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * EGI team are out on bails from Supreme Court of India on the Fake report case in Manipur violence that started on May 3rd 2023
 * The houses of the senior journalists of EGI were raided by Delhi police on UAPA charges on 3rd October, 2023.
 * How can you refer their report which hasn't been proved true to write an article for Wikipedia?
 * Moreover, the EGI report is obviously a report derived from the documents hosted on ITLF website.
 * https://www.itlfmediacell.com/document/
 * https://www.itlfmediacell.com/itlfsite/uploads/2023/07/Birens_War_ITLF_Media_Cell_.pdf
 * https://www.itlfmediacell.com/itlfsite/uploads/2023/07/Countdown_to_3rd_May_ITLF_Media_Cell-1.pdf
 * https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/manufactured-report-manipurs-top-forest-official-slams-editors-guild-of-india-4372530/amp/1 Gy9$y (talk) 07:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Police raids, arrests, and court filings against journalists and their reports are not WP:RS. If you require clarifications regarding this, please refer the issue at WP:RSN.  If you do, please leave a note here that you have brought this up there. Chaipau (talk) 22:19, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is a clarification from a related issue: Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_412
 * Chaipau (talk) 23:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edit again. The development that Meiteis have abandoned Kuki areas is not in dispute.  Please find WP:RS to cite that uses neutral language.  References that say "Kuki lies" are clearly partisan. Chaipau (talk) 14:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * While citing the complicated matter, it must be straight from the horse's mouth not from bias, prejudice & unfairness source. Clapping with only one hand doesn't produce sound. We must write only the truth from both sides neutrally by ransacking the trash. Dr. Zhivago111 (talk) 05:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please refer to Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources.
 * Babloo Loitongbam (who definitely counts as a reliable source) mentioned on 10 May that exaggerated stories of the violence in Churachandpur have been circulated within the Meitei community.. I presume this is what you mean by the "horse's mouth".
 * I support User:Chaipau's revert. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Everything related to violence happened after May 3rd, 2023. The debate is where exactly it started. The valley people have retaliated sharply this time rather than keeping quiet which was what the Kukis expected. No videos/photos of the first attack on Kangvai as claimed by this article or the Kukis have emerged till now.
 * The first videos circulated were of Meitei houses being burnt down by the armed Kukis in Churachandpur during broad daylight. What is happening now for 5 months is the Aftermath of it. Gy9$y (talk) 10:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is written by summarising WP:RS, not by analysing videos. That constitutes WP:OR.
 * The Sangai Express report published on 4 May, had a section on Moirang (subdivision/block). I can see that the newspaper has now forgotten all about it and brushed it under the carpet. But we are not going to do that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Well...you have given video links here as well. You are referencing it here. When you can do it on your whims and wishes as and when it pleases you, why can't I ask for it? Gy9$y (talk) 13:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I used the video to establish the timeline, which weren't given in the Sangai Express article. But now The Wire article gives the sequence. So you can ignore the video. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's go to the Moirang section:
 * Moirang
 * Several houses, shops and vehicles have been torched at Torbung, Bangla, Kangvai and Phougakchao Ikhai situated along the adjoining areas of Churachandpur and Bishnupur districts.
 * It is reported that the properties were torched for launching a counter agitation against the Solidarity March of ATSUM.
 * There was an intense confrontation between the supporters of ST demand for Meetei/Meitei and the rallyists and they pelted stones, used slingshots against each other in the evening.
 * Later, a large number of people from Churachandpur side stormed towards Bangla and Torbung along Tiddim Road and destroyed several shops.
 * The agitators overpowered the locals and began attacking the Forest office at Phougakchao Ikhai before they were dispersed by the police who fired rounds of tear gas shells and resorted to blank firing.
 * Reportedly, agitators coming from Churachandpur side also shot some rounds in retaliation and set on fire at least six houses and vehicles including a van, Maruti Alto, Honda Activa and two heavy vehicles (JCB) at Phougakchao Ikhai.
 * There is a report of people on both sides sustaining injuries but there is no report of people succumbing to injury so far.
 * Meanwhile, a specific report received by The Sangai Express said that many people from Kaprang, Torbung, Phougakchao Ikhai and over 100 poeple who were housed at a relief camp set up at Durga Mandop at Saiton have fled elsewhere in view of the tense atmosphere.
 * Ibudhou Moirang Thangjing Lai Committee is currently providing shelter to four-five families at the relief camp at Saiton Gy9$y (talk) 13:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "It is reported that the properties were torched for launching a counter agitation against the Solidarity March of ATSUM.... "
 * ✓Who launched the counter agitation? - The Meiteis
 * ✓So... who torched the properties of the Meiteis? - The Kuki rallyists
 * /// "Properties of Meiteis" were torched for launching a counter agitation against the rally by the Kukis" ///
 * "There was an intense confrontation between the supporters of ST demand for Meetei/Meitei and the rallyists"
 * ✓There was a standoff between the two communities.
 * "Later, a large number of people from Churachandpur side stormed towards Bangla and Torbung along Tiddim Road and destroyed several shops."
 * ✓ Who are these large number of people? ..The Kukis from Ccpur
 * ✓Who destroyed the shops? ---Kukis
 * "The agitators overpowered the locals and began attacking the Forest office at Phougakchao Ikhai before they were dispersed by the police who fired rounds of tear gas shells and resorted to blank firing."
 * ✓Who are these agitators who overpowered the locals? ---the kukis
 * ✓Who are these agitators that attacked the forest office?
 * ---The kukis
 * "Reportedly, agitators coming from Churachandpur side also shot some rounds in retaliation and set on fire at least six houses and vehicles including a van, Maruti Alto, Honda Activa and two heavy vehicles (JCB) at Phougakchao Ikhai."
 * ✓ Who are this agitators from CCPUR that fired gunshots in retaliation to the police's blank firing? ---Kukis
 * ✓ Who set on fire houses and vehicles at Phougakchao Ikhai?-The Kukis
 * What's there to hide this article? Who's hiding it? It's all in here. I gave you all the answers.
 * Maybe you were finding it hard to comprehend the meaning of the written words. Gy9$y (talk) 13:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You omitted Kangvai. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gy9$y, please note that Wikipedia is WP:NOTFORUM. And this is not a WP:SOAPBOX where you can promote a cause. Wikipedia cannot perform WP:OR.  Please use your participation here to improve Wikipedia, not to push a WP:POV. Chaipau (talk) 12:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm here to rectify the mistakes in this article. I know it's not a forum. When you guys are headstrong and hellbent on not listening to other's views and try to create a biased article according to your own narratives, I'm not watching this silently.
 * " neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias" Gy9$y (talk) 12:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I never omitted Kangvai..
 * "Several houses, shops and vehicles have been torched at Torbung, Bangla, Kangvai and Phougakchao Ikhai situated along the adjoining areas of Churachandpur and Bishnupur districts."-- this is a brief summary of the news. If you want to debate..Torbung comes first then..why not Kangvai?
 * Check the Youtube tube link( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51DiGmTFIeU&si=jSbHQTIxuEUTXQan) sent in the other reply...a live coverage from Torbung where the guy says that they are going towards Kangvai from Torbung as the Kukis have outnumbered them, beating the Meiteis and destroying vehicles on the way. He has called for help and support from the Meitei people to proceed towards Kangvai. to help curb the violence. So try to connect the dots. Gy9$y (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Check the Youtube tube link( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51DiGmTFIeU&si=jSbHQTIxuEUTXQan) sent in the other reply...a live coverage from Torbung where the guy says that they are going towards Kangvai from Torbung as the Kukis have outnumbered them, beating the Meiteis and destroying vehicles on the way. He has called for help and support from the Meitei people to proceed towards Kangvai. to help curb the violence. So try to connect the dots. Gy9$y (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Misinformation & Motivated news
In all world news including digital media, kuki has created a false narrative in early days of violence by providing motivated, one sided to every news correspondent,isreal, europe, Christian missionary even UN. But meiteis don't have any idea about this false propaganda war in early days. 49.37.98.152 (talk) 03:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, Kukis are lier, shameless,imposter. They always tried to spread false news to the World, dont believe them 223.239.64.11 (talk) 03:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, Kukis are creating unrest in every places they enter. they are barbaric and liar. the article is all one sided. wiki should research about its correctness before posting such article as this article is all false and ruins the image of Metei people before the whole world. 164.100.149.86 (talk) 06:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article is written by kuki people , whole one sided story to misguide the whole world to hide their evil and greedy deeds. This Manipur violence 2023 is no violence against Christainity,They lied about the no . Of churches vandalized, no of people died , they lied everything. Kukis atleast for Jesus Chirst , God’s sake please speak up the truth without siding between the two community, that way peace will prevail soon. 2607:F130:0:110:0:0:0:25 (talk) 07:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * On the other side more meitei are dead and the kuki don't stop attacking meitei villages.when they attack and meitei defend ,they will play the victimcard and say that the majority are oppressing the minority. Please stop all these. 2607:F130:0:110:0:0:0:25 (talk) 13:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2023
The ignition of the riot hasn't been established yet, and there is already a committee headed by HC judge to look into it. There are social media testimonies on how the riot started from churachanpur itself, with the burning and cleansing of meiteis on the third of May. Twitter accounts posting the pics and videos are testimonies to that. The retaliation in the valley on 4th May, although unfortunate, was the aftermath of the attacks on meiteis in the hills. The Christian and tribal angle has also already been debunked by Nagas, meitei Christians of Manipur. There were earlier attempts to ignore foreign involvement and narco elements, but the spike in arrests of drug smugglers in Mizoram proves otherwise. Even the Home Minister Amit Shah blamed the illegal influx as one of the major causes of the riot on the floor of the Parliament. Truthfairylove (talk) 05:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 November 2023
Violence is due to two communities which is started by kuki in may 3rd and planed for years to the meiteis. The kuki are trying to be victim playing and change the face if themself in the internet 103.229.47.116 (talk) 10:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 13:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

RFC on Background
Which of the following should be used in the Background section of the article? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

A. The existing Background language.

The article content in question is in the Background section, in the second paragraph, and reads:

B.

C.

Please enter A, B or C below in the Survey section with a brief statement. Please do not reply to the comments of other editors. You may engage in back-and-forth discussion in the Discussion section; that's what it's for.

Survey

 * C seems to be most helpful to readers, providing additional context. The other two options do seem to not tell the whole story, which I would hesitate doing without a Main article hatnote.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 14:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Option B. It was arrived at in a lengthy DRN discussion as an improvement of the current text A. It mentions the date of 1891 as the first instance of administration of hill areas, since some WP:RS say that.
 * I am not in favour of Option C as it omits the fact that the hills formed a "non-state space" prior to 1891 (using a modern term "Zomia" that spans a much wider hilly region in south and southeast Asia). It cannot be said that it was simply a matter of largesse by the Meitei kings that the administration was left in the hands of local chiefs, but rather inherent in the nature of the situation of a hill-valley divide. Section 4.5 of the Andrew Kamei's book (citation 7) discusses the various scholarly views of the pre-colonial context. In particular, it mentions the practice of "loipotkaba", where "the conquered tribe mostly those in the vicinity of the valley who were otherwise not under the administration of the monarch would have to pay an annual tribute to the Meitei king failing which reprisals would be undertaken". Gangmumei Kamei (citation 2) states, "In the pre-colonial period, the hill people lived as independent and sovereign nations in their respective chiefdoms, free from any external control.". This is similar to the "suzerainty but not sovereignty" view in the Tibetan sovereignty debate.
 * I also don't see any need to bring in the supposed "divide and rule policy" of the British, a common trope in post-colonial literature, since the divide clearly existed in pre-colonial Manipur. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * C . As a previous editor mentioned, it seems to provide a clearer picture of the background.Tms369 (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * B: B is an update to A after further discovery during the DRN discussion mentioned above (archived). There were two major findings during the DRN discovery.
 * 1) Finding 1: Scott's formulation of Zomia is the predominant framework used by scholars working on Northeast India issues.  The reference cited by u:Tms369 is a PhD thesis published (2023/2024) that is a novel application of an alternative framework that was defined by Focault, even as the author admit's Scott's formulation is the predominant one.  Since this is a novel application in the study of Northeast India and is yet to be noted by the wider scholarship it is WP:FRINGE and, therefore, is not enough to remove the Zomia reference from the text in A or B.
 * 2) Finding 2: Additional references accessed during discovery that specifically deal with the history of administration of the hills reinforce claims from earlier references that the hills were not administered by the valley in the pre-colonial period; that the British staked claim to the hills in 1891 but did not introduce administrative structures immediately; that the administrative strictures were only gradually introduced in steps leading to the Kuki rebellion in 1917-19 in which the British put down the rebellion forcefully; and that the British implemented full administrative command soon after the Kuki rebellion.
 * 3) Furthermore: Option C is unacceptable because it is not supported by WP:RS, even though it is more verbose and seems to explain the conflict to an audience that is unaware of the literature already available.  Rather this text verbalizes the rhetoric that one side of the conflict is making—that the hills were historically under control of the valley kingdom and thus the valley dispensation has a right to the land in the hills and that the people of the valley and the hills were same and that they were "divided" by the British.  This is clearly a partisan point of view in this claim which is not supported by scholarship (WP:POV).  This text is unacceptable in Wikipedia.

Chaipau (talk) 17:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * C. This clearly describes the administrative policy of the British during that time.16:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Gy9$y (talk)


 * C . per InvadingInvader. DSP 2092 talk 09:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Closure
Link to old DRN discussion

, please provide WP:Full citations and page numbers for the Version C so that it can be inserted into the page. It also occurs to me that we never properly verified if the content is as per the sources. The content suggests that the chiefs or "Khullakpas" were gone after 1891. Do the sources really say this? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe I had already given all the page numbers in the DRN discussion page. I'll give it here again if you want to add the page numbers to the footnote.
 * Sitlhou, H. (2015). Confronting the State: Land Rights Discourse in the Hills of Manipur. Economic and Political Weekly, 50(30), 70–77 (pp 71-72)
 * Kshetri, R. (2006). District Councils in Manipur (p 3-5)
 * Dena, L. (2014). British policy towards Manipur, 1762-1947, Third Edition (p 60,82-84,75)
 * Kamei, A. L. (2023). Governmentality: Power and Counter Conduct in Northeast India’s Manipur and Nagaland. Taylor & Francis (pt 80)
 * FYI I am done with this discussion which has dragged on for multiple months. Tms369 (talk) 14:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * After perusal of concerned dispute, closed discussion, and DRN, edit is made in the relevant section. In view of WP:BALANCE, contested view is also kept. For the order, consensus view is kept first followed by older contested view. Hope it is acceptable for editors/users on both sides of the dispute. Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 03:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Manipur Violence 2023
This link may please be refer

https://www.ifp.co.in/manipur/cocomi-spokesperson-khuraijam-athouba-focuses-on-narco-terrorists-mercenaries-at-unhr-session-yet-again Manoj63h (talk) 03:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

"Attempts & Appeals for Peace" Section - Opinion
There should also be section mentioning various attempts to bring peace from this violence with a suitable heading. '''Yes or no? If no, why? If yes, under what section heading?''' And please bring up all the attempts (it occurs to me that various parties including, global bodies, neighbouring states, government bodies, CSOs, communities have called for and attempts made to bring peace). It will be unfair to all those attempts and appeals by not having a section mentions. Talks and opinions please? Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 05:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please note that this is an encyclopedia. We have WP:NOTNEWS, and nothing called "fairness".
 * If you can state which peace initiatives were notable, we would have some idea of what you have in mind. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your opinion. Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 15:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kautilya3 If I am getting it right, in your opinion:
 * There should not be such a section
 * Reason is WP:NOTNEWS
 * There is no fairness or unfairness of article, section, and wikipedia
 * You are not aware of any notable peace initiatives
 * You would want me to talk out my mind so that you have some idea of what is in my mind
 * Please correct if state wrongly.
 * Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 16:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now put in bold what I wrote, so that you can read it again. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kautilya3 Thank you for making your point a bit clearer. Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Latest official data
''Of the 166 civilians killed in the Manipur violence, 98 have been identified as members of the Kuki-Zo community while 67 hailed from the Meitei community, revealed information provided by the Manipur government to a Supreme Court appointed committee. In addition, one woman was from the Naga community. In all, nineteen women from both communities (Kuki-Zo and Meitei) were killed in the ethnic violence till October 7. Data also shows that most of those killed were in the age group of 30 to 40 years while five were minors, including a seven-year-old boy.''

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/manipur-government-data-shows-kin-of-less-than-half-the-victims-paid-compensation/article67583885.ece 2409:40E1:E:1B36:19D3:340D:DC93:6913 (talk) 02:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Manipur
"Manipur Violence caused by External Agression and influx of thousands of refugees and illegal immigrants from Myanmar, Bangladesh " Please refer the BBC news reference '''

First time in the history of BBC, they came out with a true picture of MANIPUR VOILENCE. It is neither A HINDU-CHRISTIAN FIGHT NOR A HINDU -MUSLIM FIGHT. IT IS THE FIGHT FOR THE DOMINANCE OF OPIUM FIELDS AROUND HILL AREAS.

INDIAN MEDIA WAS GIVING IT A COMMUNAL COLOUR to defame Modiji and BJP and all the opposition parties had grabbed the opportunity to kick back BJP. Congress definitely has a hand in it as it has got a CHINESE CONNECTION. MAY BE WRITTEN IN THE MOU signed by PAPPU AND HIS MOM.

The naked parade could be knowingly and willingly carried out one as Woman also is involved in the billion dollar opium business AND there is a VIDEO OF NAKED WOMEN MOVING AROUND BEATING POLICE WITH A BATON snatched away from the policeman.

This is BIG. A Generally Anti-India BBC acknowledges below facts regarding Manipur violence :


 * No its not about Christians vs Hindus or Hill vs Valley - they have lived peacefully together for ages*


 * Its about THE WAR ON DRUGS*


 * The underlying tensions in Manipur stem from a complex interplay of various factors, one of which is a crackdown on drugs in recent years. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led state government, under Chief Minister N Biren Singh, who is a Meitei, launched a controversial campaign targeting poppy farming.*


 * Since 2017, his government claims to have destroyed more than 18,600 acres of poppy farms, the majority of them in Kuki-inhabited areas.*


 * Manipur has long battled a drug-addiction crisis and is among four north-eastern Indian states bordering Myanmar, the world's second-largest opium producer*


 * A paper pasted on a corrugated tin wall declared local support for a "war on drugs". A local "committee for the war on drugs" urged people to stop poppy plantation and "save our generation".*


 * The scale of poppy farming in these parts is unclear. According to official figures, more than 730 acres of poppy farms in Imphal East district - home to 16% of Manipur's estimated 3.3 million people, and including Naga, Meitei and Nepali inhabited villages - have been destroyed since 2017.*


 * Then there's the brewing fault line over undocumented illegal immigrants from Myanmar, a country with which Manipur shares a near-400km (248-mile) border. Stickers bearing the message "go back, Burmese refugees" have begun appearing on storefronts and residences across Meitei villages.*


 * A state government panel identified 2,187 immigrants from Myanmar in four districts of Manipur until end-April. An official note spoke of a "large number of illegal migrants" and said the "recent violence was fuelled by influential illegal poppy cultivators and drug lords from Myanmar settling in Manipur".*

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66161535

Manoj63h (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please share maximum, for information of the public at large*

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2023
Add in Recurrent violence section

13 Meitei men were found dead in Tengnoupal. Their bodies were found near forested area killed by unknown people.

sources-

https://scroll.in/latest/1060163/manipur-13-meiteis-found-dead-in-tengnoupal-identified

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/our-worst-nightmare-13-men-found-dead-in-manipur-identified-came-from-across-valley-districts-9055843/

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/13-slain-manipur-youths-identified-families-seething-over-govt-failure/article67607910.ece 2409:40E1:1071:E7F9:18D2:BADA:DB5D:8391 (talk) 10:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  Spintendo  23:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023/Change name to Manipur Conflict
Well there haven't been any update since September but so much happened in the conflict since and are still continuing, at this point the title should be changed to Manipur Conflict as it is a full scaled armed conflict, has been since the start of it. Dilbaggg (talk) 16:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Also I urge more active participation and adding of the latest information. Dilbaggg (talk) 06:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Contribution of foreign hand
Union Home Minister in his speech in parliament said the influx of refugees from Myanmar is contributing to the conflict. This along with reaction of Kukis has been reported in national media, namely, The Hindu, on August 10, 2023, entitled "Home Minister’s remarks draw sharp reactions from Kuki groups in India, Myanmar". Jamesoinam (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

2023 Manipur violence caused by Kukis
2023 Manipur violence caused by Kukis who are not original settlers of Manipur but only during the British reign.

For more details please refer to the authentic information

https://www.e-pao.net/epSubPageExtractor.asp?src=manipur.Ethnic_Races_Manipur.The_Kukis_in_Manipur_Part_2_By_M_Ranjit 106.213.80.99 (talk) 05:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NEWSORG are not reliable sources for history. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Add about - "2 Meitei students killed"
Add this 103.251.217.210 (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * 2 Meitei students missing from Imphal presumed killed after photos surface - (https://indianexpress.com/article/india/manipur-two-meitei-students-missing-imphal-killed-8956292/)
 * 'We Saw the Photos': Father of One of the 2 Missing Students Killed in Manipur - (https://www.thequint.com/news/india/manipur-violence-photos-of-dead-bodies-meitei-students-surface)
 * Photos of bodies of two Meitei students who went missing in July surface on social media - (https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/photos-of-bodies-of-two-meitei-students-who-went-missing-in-july-surface-on-social-media/article67346320.ece)
 * Manipur news: Thousands of students protest in Imphal over deaths of two missing Meitei youths - (https://www.livemint.com/news/india/manipur-news-thousands-of-students-protest-in-imphal-over-deaths-of-two-missing-meitei-youths-11695719921752.html)
 * In Manipur Horror, Pics Show 2 Students Killed, 2 Armed Men Behind Them - (https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-manipur-horror-pics-show-2-students-killed-2-armed-men-behind-them-4423464)
 * Manipur Bans Mobile Internet Again Amid Protests Over Dead Students' Photos - (https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/manipur-reimposes-mobile-internet-ban-till-october-1-4426141)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: There were about 200 people killed in the violence. Individual details about some of them may be added in due course, but we can't just highlight one case. It would be WP:UNDUE. Kautilya3 (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this deserves a mention in the Recurrent violence section as protests by thousands of students in school uniforms happened for the first time. This incident caused mass media coverage across India and globally after a relative calm. The Internet ban was reimposed. For the first time, a CBI team led by Special Director, Ajay Bhatnagar, arrived in Manipur.
 * [Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BFbBSzsdrI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BFbBSzsdrI]
 * Lairencha (talk) 11:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the current blow-up in Imphal does need to be covered. Please feel free to suggest text to add, along with citations. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * On 25 September 25, photographs of two Meitei students, Phijam Hemjit (20 years old) and Hijam Linthoingambi (17 years old), surfaced on social media. They were residents of Tera Tongbram Leikai in Imphal and had gone missing on June 6. One of the photographs showed the two students siting in a forest area with two armed men at the background. Another photograph showed the lifeless bodies of the two students lying on the ground. In the following days, students in Imphal protested against the killing of these two students. Manipur Police and Rapid Action Force were accused of resorting to use of excessive force, tear gas, and pellet guns.  Hundreds of students were injured in the protests. Among the injured were a student who had more than 40 pellet bullets on his skull, another student whose shoulder was shattered by pellets allegedly fired from a closed range, and a third student who got blinded in one eye.     On 28 September, the Manipur government constituted a committee to verify the complaints of alleged excessive use of force on protestors by security forces.  The protests also led to the govenment banning mobile internet again till October 6.  The internet ban was earlier lifted after five months on September 23.
 * On September 30, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) arrested a man from Churachandpur for being part of a "transnational conspiracy by terror outfits based in Myanmar and Bangladesh to “wage war” against the Government of India by exploiting the current ethnic unrest in Manipur.  [14 ]  On October 1, the Central Bureau of Investogations (CBI) arrested four people from Churachandpur for the killing of the two Meitei students.   The arrests led to Indigenous Tribal Leaders Forum (ITLF) in Churachandpur calling for a shut down of the district. The NIA and CBI have refuted accusations of being high handed and said no partiality have been shown against any community and the rule book of the Indian Penal Code jas been abided by.  Lairencha (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Sappling grows (talk) 06:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Before 3rd of may there was already violence taken place in kuki dominated areas of Churachandpur where Meitei temples were vandalised https://www.indiatodayne.in/manipur/story/manipur-unrest-in-churachandpur-as-protests-turn-violent-550326-2023-04-28. In the due course of the violence several meitei innocent civilians have been killed by the Kuki Militants https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/three-killed-in-fresh-violence-in-manipur/article67161087.ece. Two meitei students were killed by the kuki militants namely Linthoingambi and Hemanjit https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/cbi-arrests-4-people-in-connection-with-killing-of-two-manipuri-youths/articleshow/104091228.cms, the public came to know this when the images of their murder went viral in social media on September 2023. As of now their bodies have not been recovered. The Manipur Government announced that this is an external aggression as there are several reports of involvement of Myanmar rebel group PDF siding with the kuki militants https://www.newindianexpress.com/opinions/2023/Aug/06/manipur-myanmar-binary-blame-junta-not-its-victims-2602636.html. The Central Government also stated in the parliament that the root cause of the violence is due to illegal immigration of Kukis from Myanmar https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/centre-blaming-myanmar-migrants-for-manipur-violence-is-dangerous/article67212603.ece as a reult the Government Of India has now banned the free movement regime with Myanmar https://www.livemint.com/news/india-calls-for-immediate-suspension-of-free-movement-regime-with-myanmar-amit-shah-11707376441979.html, also the Union Govt. has confirmed border fencing along the entire 1643km long Indo-Myanmar border https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/modi-govt-decides-to-construct-fence-along-1643-km-indo-myanmar-border-home-minister-amit-shah/articleshow/107463621.cm. EditorNex (talk) 19:52, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Kautilya3 (talk) 01:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no mention of "Meitei temples" in the first source. This article is about the "ethnic violence", as mentioned in the lead sentence. The other events only form the background, and are covered in the "Background" section as needed per WP:DUE. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Illegal immigrants
I was curious about this edit of, which introduced this passage under the summary of "copyediting".

In a later edit, they deleted the scratched out phrase.

The first sentence apparently comes from this statement in the source:

The second sentence from these statements in the source:

Apparently, "Chand Meetei Pochshangbam of the All Meitei Council" has turned into "officials", and his claims climbed out of the quote marks. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If you check the diff, I didn't introduce the material, but merely moved it from one section to another. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Here is the block of edits that you made. This content wasn't present before your edits. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Change it as you see fit. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Background section on refugees
I have deleted from the mainspace a huge section on refugees from Myanmar, which is growing and growing. Please note that material in the background sections has to be validated by sources that connect it to the present topic. You can't simply add whatever you personally think is relevant. That would be considered WP:OR. Also, all the material concerning Mizoram should be deleted. Pinging for his input.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree with the paring down by @Kautilya3. Immigration as a contributing factor has emerged ex post facto, after the fact, and should not be placed in the background section. Chaipau (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The sub-section had a lot of contribution from my side. Would have considered looking if it fits in other sections example: Overview. I don't fully agree removing all of it as such as it also explains genuine sentiments of the Kukis, to some extent their displeasure towards the Manipur govt. vis-a-vis Mizoram govt. which also had some voiced audibly. But anyways if two editors agree on the same edit (more of a deletion), I respect. Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 13:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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Addition of Aigejang Shooting to the See Also section. Minmarion (talk) 17:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * pending whether the page Aigejang Shooting passes review by new page patrollers or not. If so, will add. — Sirdog (talk) 03:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Never mind, no harm in just adding it now. If the link becomes red enough people are watching this page where it'll be swiftly removed. ✅. — Sirdog (talk) 00:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Recurrent violence
After perusal of the content and sources cited, I have removed these

"On 17 June, the Archbishop of Imphal stated that 249 churches have been burnt in Manipur.

The state police face allegations of siding with the dominant Meitei community. In an effort to call for peace, opposition leaders visited the violence-affected areas on 29 July.

On 14 December bodies of 64 recently killed were handed to their families. "

Reasons:


 * 1) WP:Relevance of content - The content does not have any relevance at all to the section (Recurrent violence)
 * 2) Also in view of MOS:Oversection
 * 3) Without any relevance to the section and far from Manual of Style, it is bloating the article

If any of our respected editors and anyone for that matter think it otherwise, please come up with your valuable points, so that we can discuss.

Thank you. Okenkhwairakpam (talk) 18:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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Please also highlight the fact that most of the encroachers evicted by the current dispensation are from the Meitei community. 122.164.102.52 (talk) 07:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 08:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)