Talk:2023 Atlantic hurricane season

PTC 22
Why is it being removed from the article? If it doesn’t develop, will it be mentioned as an "other system"? It should be notable enough through forecasted impacts. 2605:8D80:402:FCAF:6049:D5EE:7F4F:1D6C (talk) 03:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It will likely be included as an additional system, similar to last year's PTC Four. CycloneYoris talk! 07:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We cant really look at projected impacts as it violates WP:Crystal and they could very easily change.
 * One question, I have is how related do two storm systems need to be before they get a see also hatnote. I did hear this system might feed into another to the north. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  12:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the disturbance that the NHC briefly monitored off the coast of southeast Florida, I'd say that we don't need to make a hatnote of that in the article since it was never a PTC, much less a TC. Jay  Tee ⛈️ 13:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * While against WP:Crystal, I was assuming that that systems got an article and PTC 22 fed into it. Though, my question was more general; how much does a tropical system have to feed into another system for a see also hatnote? Also, would the tropical cyclone's article trump the see also hatnote? ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  14:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If one tropical system feeds into another then it's mentioned in the tropical cyclone's met history/summary. For example, 2005's Tropical Depression Ten is mentioned in the Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina because it fed into the system that turned into Katrina. Since the disturbance off the coast of Florida has not been confirmed to have contributed in any way to PTC 22, it's not worth mentioning. We generally don't leave hatnotes on TC articles unless it's to specify a damage currency, meteorological statistic, etc. For more clarification on how to use a footnote marker see WP:FOOTNOTES. Jay Tee ⛈️ 17:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like it isn’t going to form which is odd, but it is definitely noteworthy enough as an other system from the massive flooding in the Caribbean. 2605:8D80:402:FCAF:DCE7:7791:E58F:853A (talk) 23:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Eh, right now most news stations are saying to be deadly or  to produce loads of rain. We should wait a day or two before we decide if it needs an article.  ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  03:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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Potential tropical cyclone 22 (section Other system)
The reference (https://dominicantoday.com/amp/news?id=198595&title=9-dead-due-to-collapse-of-wall-at-27-de-febrero-and-maximo-gomez) cited for 9 deaths in the Dominican Republic does not mention that the collapse of the overpass wall was due to heavy rain. The event could be totally unrelated and I think this News should NOT be included in the effects of this PTC. Pierre cb (talk) 14:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mention of the event has been removed. Drdpw (talk) 16:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Lead engineering
November 30 is right around the corner meaning the end of the season. I think we should start preparing what the lead could look like now, especially since last year I think we left it unfinished for a couple months. My proposal: "The 2023 Atlantic Hurricane Season was one of the most active on record. However, most tropical cyclones were industrictive and weak. It had an about average number of hurricanes and major hurricanes (those above a Category 3 on the SSHWS) but an above average ACE." It is slightly informal and could be worked on. If sources mention it, we should mention it was the most active El Nino on record. ✶Mitch 199811  ✶  21:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I would prefer something along the lines of this, personally (the source for fourth-most active is here):
 * The 2023 Atlantic hurricane season was the fourth most active Atlantic hurricane season on record, featuring 20 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes, and an above-average Accumulated Cyclone Energy.
 * We could expand on this later in the lead:
 * Despite the above-average number of storms, the number of hurricanes and major hurricanes fell within the climatological average.
 * In the second paragraph we could note the impactful storms Bret, Franklin, Harold, Idalia, Lee, Ophelia, Phillipe, Tammy and Twenty-One. We could also note (if a reliable source states this) that the season was less destructive and deadly than previous years. Jay  Tee ⛈️ 04:02, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Two things:
 * Do we have to mention that a major hurricane is above a Category 3
 * Are Twenty-One and Bret really all that impactful? Also, I feel like we should mention Twenty-Two and Unnamed somewhere in there.
 * ✶Mitch 199811  ✶  12:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. I believe that should be mentioned in a footnote, yes.
 * 2. I think Bret and Twenty-One are still worth mentioning considering they struck large populated areas. I think Twenty-Two is better off left in the Other Systems section. Unnamed could be mentioned in the first paragraph about how “tropical cyclogenesis is possible at any time of the year, as demonstrated by the formation of…”
 * Jay Tee ⛈️ 14:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * One thing that annoys me is that normally we are not supposed to put single digit numbers in logogram form, but instead write them out. However, the existence of twenty-one kinda throws a wrench in the design as we have to put it in logogram form. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  04:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Tropical Depression Twenty-One" is a proper name (technical term) and so the number is written, not the numeral – 21. See: MOS:NUMERAL. Drdpw (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I misread twenty as twenty-one in JayTee's lead. Could we write out the words for the numbers, e.g. twenty named storms, seven hurricanes, and three major hurricanes? Further, is it possible to rewrite the storm predictions as words? ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  11:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we should write out the names to differentiate them from the name of TD Twenty-One, thanks for noticing that. Which storm predictions were you referring to? Jay  Tee ⛈️ 12:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I did some work on the first paragraph, enhancing what had already been done. I think the lead needs a third paragraph addressing how El Niño caused the Bermuda High to be weak, permitting systems to curve northward, as opposed to being pushed westward towards the Gulf or the U.S. Atlantic coast, limiting their impact (death and destruction) on land (Even though there was a high number of systems this year, just three made landfall in the U.S.). Drdpw (talk) 21:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Citations for Bermuda high influences:. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * NOAA has noted that the season was the most active El Nino season in "the modern era", likely meaning the satellite era...Do we think we should add this? Gum  balls  678   talk  00:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Source:https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/2023-atlantic-hurricane-season-ranks-4th-for-most-named-storms-in-year
 * It already is included. Drdpw (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I missed it the first time, I see it now, thanks! Gum  balls  678   talk  00:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

TCR Track maps?
Are the track maps for Don, Gert, Emily, Jose, Nigel, and Rina ever going to be updated to reflect their TCRs? EPicmAx4 (talk) 02:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I will likely get to it in the next day or two since I am on winter break. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 03:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you still planning on getting to it? 24.144.60.224 (talk) 22:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * IP editor, please be patient. MarioProtIV only has so much time and this might not be their priority. If you want it done faster, you can learn all the tricks and download all the programmes and do it yourself. ✶Qux  yz  ✶  23:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

TCR Track Maps In Need Of Serious Update
How come the TCR tracks on certain storms haven’t been updated when the TCR reports for them have been out for a while? I’ve noticed that winds and minimum pressure have been updated but the tracks haven’t. I’d update them myself, but I do not have the software to do so. 2600:1700:ECA0:4820:84DF:A9B0:C28E:E230 (talk) 19:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See the discussion above. Please be patient over the next few weeks as they work to get them updated. Gum  balls  678   talk  04:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * it has been almost a month, where are the tracks CarterStormTracking (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * They will be done eventually, be patient or do it yourself. ✶Qux  yz  ✶  01:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)