Talk:2023 Half Moon Bay shootings/Archive 1

Chun-Li
nikki minaj had a major hit / alter ego named "chun-li", based in turn on some video game or comic book. we might need to watch for these articles cross-contaminating. 2601:19C:527F:A660:FD5B:D95F:5A7A:BD41 (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are many "Chun Li"'s -- Chun Li (disambiguation) shows the ones on Wikipedia with articles -- "Chun-Li" is a character in the Japanese fighting videogame "Street Fighter" -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The suspect's family name is Zhao. Chun-Li are given names. We dont fret over Biden's given name Joe, so why worry about Chun-Li? WWGB (talk) 00:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * joe is common; chun-li is not (only a few on that disambig page actually match, character-wise). with the OTHER one so famous, misposts and misdirects may be a problem.  imagine if the suspect were a "beyonce" someone.
 * there are already a few chinese sources using the wrong characters for his name.
 * hopefully it doesn't spread to english. 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 00:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Name of the suspect
According to the World Journal, the name of the suspect is 趙春利 (Zhao Chunli) in Chinese. So his surname is Zhao.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Isn't it "趙春麗" ? -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 春麗 would be a woman's name. The suspect is male, so it is very unlikely that his name would be 春麗. I should also add that all the Chinese-language sources I have seen up to now (Jan. 30, 2023) that give his name as 春利 are guessing it according to the Hanyu pinyin spelling in the US police notices. There are other possible characters for his given name, although his surname is definitely 趙. p.s. Mainland Chinese and Taiwanese can use simplified and traditional characters interchangeably. I am typing traditional characters here because my computer here in Taiwan is set to use them. 61.216.26.1 (talk) 12:51, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I sincerely appreciate your effort to clear up the confusion regarding his name. HumanOblivion (talk) 16:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added his name to the infobox. HumanOblivion (talk) 17:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * i don't see his name in the infobox or anywhere.
 * a few outlets are reporting it as "趙春麗" but the vast majority have "趙春利". i believe phoenix was correct in the first place.
 * "春麗", as i warned, is so famous from comics/video games/rap that mistakes were bound to happen.
 * btw, why are we using old-fashioned characters here? was he from taiwan?
 * they're using mainland spelling for "zhao", so i would assume he or his parents were PRC-direct. characters should match: "赵春利" 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 00:17, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "赵春丽" doesn't seem to be used for this person (the simplified form of "趙春麗").
 * If it's supposed to be simplified, shouldn't it be "赵春利" instead of "趙春利" ?
 * -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 赵春利 -- isn't that what i JUST SAID?
 * the handful of uses of 赵春丽 out there are just MISTAKEN, i believe. as i ALSO (didn't i?) said.  2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 07:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Some seem to be using "赵春利" -- 64.229.90.199 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * sources from simplified-char media and sources from traditional-char media can use whichever they want (changing the original), but if we're choosing one or the other to put into an ENGLISH PARENTHETICAL, it should be the actual one used, no? 2601:19C:527F:A660:343B:4680:EDA7:7B11 (talk) 07:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

The sources note in parentheses that the writing of his name is a phonetic transliteration to match the English, so we aren't that certain about the characters, although Zhao does appear to be the surname, which is also reflected in other places in the Wikipedia article. Vacosea (talk) 06:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

What vehicle did Zhao Chunli drive?
The video of his arrest released by KGO-TV looks like he drove a red 2000s Lexus, but was unclear if it is. ImDeadAsADoornail (talk) 09:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * – One of the refs mentions maroon Lexus SUV which I added prior to seeing your comment here. Please edit my add if you think it would flow better in a different slot in the article body. Cheers!  21:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright! ImDeadAsADoornail (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a reason it matters, we don't need to include it. And unless reliable sources are mentioning it, we definitely don't include it. I'm going to remove this again. Please, @ImDeadAsADoornail, don't add it back without both 1. a good reason and 2. a reliable source. Valereee (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Killer's connection with China
Zhao and his wife went to a Chinese bank in Cupertino once a month for at least the past five years to send remittances to China. "Yoyo Duan, a supervisor at a Chinese bank in Cupertino near the restaurant where Zhao used to work, said Zhao and his wife came in once a month for at least the past five years to send remittances to China. The last time Duan saw them was a month ago." Half Moon Bay mass shooting suspect once tried to suffocate co-worker, court records allege, San Francisco Chronicle, 2023-01-24

This edit with key information is completely fit the wiki guidance!

--Wildcursive (talk) 12:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The relevant policy is WP:ONUS:
 * Can you explain why you believe it's inclusion is important to understand the shooting? —Bagumba (talk) 12:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably because he is Taiwanese and hates everything about China? WWGB (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * where are u getting taiwanese from? "zhao" is strictly a PRC spelling.
 * taiwanese would normally render this "chao" or "chow". sometimes "chu" or "chiu" even.  "zh"-anything is a dead giveaway for mainlander.  2601:19C:527F:A660:D99B:962D:3F02:8816 (talk) 03:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not say Zhao was Taiwanese, I was referring to User:Wildcursive. WWGB (talk) 03:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * oh, that was very unclear!
 * i bet i was not the only one who read that as u asserting zhao was taiwanese, and that his remittances to the PRC were thereby odd.... 2601:19C:527F:A660:D99B:962D:3F02:8816 (talk) 04:16, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see how this is relevant enough; it merely shows he sent money to his family, which millions of immigrants do. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * To add to this article: Zhao is from China and has lived in the U.S. for more than a dozen years. 204.11.186.190 (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)