Talk:2023 Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly

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This title needs adjusting. Which president? Which assembly? Who knows how many countries have presidents and a federal assembly. In this case, this would probably best be at 2023 Presidential Address to the Russian Federal Assembly, which is far more precise. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Peacemaker67: Agreed, and Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly and 2020 Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly should also follow. –Vipz (talk) 20:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , i had been wondering the same thing you did when i was trying to determine what title to use for this article, so thanks for bringing this issue up. as 's comment suggests, the title of this article was based on "2020 Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly", which presumably was based on "Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly".  the latter actually used to be titled "Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly (Russia)", but was  in 2018.  if you can get consensus for renaming that article, i would be happy to rename this article to conform.as an aside, if "Russian" is to be used as a premodifier, i think the capitalization should be "Presidential address to the Russian federal assembly", as i believe the current capitalization is being used because it is a proper name.  dying (talk) 04:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I can't find an analogy to compare this to atm, but I'm pretty sure this isn't how it's supposed to work. That's not just any federal assembly, as uncapitalized common nouns suggest, but the Federal Assembly. That said, searching for examples, I've only seen the practice of appending at the end, and that may work for these articles as well - 2023 Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly (Russia). –Vipz (talk) 08:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , i think far too much has been written about whether, in constructions like this, the noun following the premodifier should be capitalized, so i'll try to keep this short, especially since i don't particularly care how the russian federal assembly is capitalized in the title, but had only brought it up to note that i think the 'a' in "address" should not be, if "Russian" is used as a premodifier. i didn't use the capitalization "Russian Federal Assembly" above because (1) i believe the english name of the body is "Federal Assembly" (though it may also be referred to as "Federal Assembly of Russia" or "Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation", as seen here) and i thought that using the capitalization "Russian Federal Assembly" would falsely suggest that "Russian Federal Assembly" was the proper name of the body; and (2) i have noticed that, on wikipedia, when an adjectival form of a country is used as a premodifier for a noun, if the noun has not been introduced before and it is unclear whether it is being used specifically or generically, the first use is often considered generic.that being said, if you look at the national legislatures category, you can see that most of the titles try to avoid the issue (if the english name of the legislature does not begin with an adjectival form of a nation in the first place) by using a disambiguator of the form "of $x$" or "($x$)".  in particular, the title of the article for russia's legislature is "Federal Assembly (Russia)".  i'd actually prefer to sidestep the issue as well, and if this article is renamed to include a disambiguator, i had thought that what you suggested works best, and would also follow the title of the article on the assembly as well as the previous title of the article on the speeches.  i had only mentioned the issue regarding capitalization because Peacemaker67's suggestion used "Russian" as a premodifier.  dying (talk) 16:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dying and @Peacemaker67: should we start a move request to gather more attention, then? –Vipz (talk) 11:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , i'm assuming you mean starting a move request for the article on the speeches in general, or one for all three articles mentioned above, since for now, one for just this article would likely be opposed due to the article on the speeches not having a similar disambiguator in its title. that sounds fine.  i should note that i actually don't have an opinion on whether or not the pages should be moved, so i probably wouldn't !vote, but i think the title for this article should conform with the outcome of such a move request, regardless of whether or not this article is explicitly included in the request.  if it is moved, i'd prefer the title you suggested for the reasons already mentioned.  dying (talk) 12:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)