Talk:2023 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11

Overview versus stage by stage wording
Hi Zwerg Nase  - I've moved your longer text to this article, given the main article is an overview. (coping Ajd, who has also written some stage recaps) Turini2 (talk) 10:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Judging by other Tour articles that have Featured Article status, the reports are still fairly short. So I don't see a reason why they shouldn't remain like this in the main article.Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to reword if you want - it just gets a bit too wordy otherwise! A overview should be an overview tbh... I think the 2022 edition is a good example of what I mean - longer stage by stage recaps here (2022 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11) and then a overview/summary of each stage on the main page (2022 Tour de France).
 * An example would be the stage by stage recap listing the riders in the breakaway, whereas a summary would omit that as too much detail. Turini2 (talk) 10:41, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have omitted rider names from the breakaway unless I considered them noteworthy enough for the main article. As it is now, I strongly feel that there is too little detail. An article should provide enough information for even the most uninformed reader to follow along, which I do not feel is the case here. I would point to 1989 Tour de France, which is actually a featured article, or 1985 Tour de France, which was featured article of the day just before the Tour started, as examples of what I mean (full disclosure: most of the text in those articles was written by me). Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add some detail! I'm sure you understand there's a balance between brevity and too much information - which is why I moved the longer text to the other article. You could also add more information to the stage by stage recap too - the 2022 editions have a mini route summary for each stage.
 * As an example, I've summarised a little of what you wrote for stage 5 (210 ish words compared to 260 ish). What do you think?
 * On stage 5, the first mountain stage in the Pyrenees, a large breakaway containing multiple pre-race favourites including Jai Hindley escaped from the bunch and established a stable advantage. The maximum lead of the group over the field was four minutes and was still at 2:30 minutes as it began the ascent of the final climb of the day, the Col de Marie-Blanque. Hindley dropped the remaining breakaway riders and rode alone over the top of the climb and into the finish in Laruns to win the stage, taking the lead in the general classification. Felix Gall  had gained enough points during the stage to go into the lead of the mountains classification.
 * ''Behind in the group of favourites, Vingegaard attacked 1.5 km from the summit of the Marie-Blanque and managed to distance Pogačar. Catching up to several breakaway riders, Vingegaard finished fifth on the day, 34 seconds behind Hindley. Pogačar opted to wait for distanced teammate Adam Yates to try to limit his losses, but eventually arrived at the finish 1:04 minutes behind Vingegaard, dropping to sixth place overall. With him came in other favourites such as Gaudu, Martinez, Rodriguez, and the Yates brothers. Meanwhile, Ben O'Connor and Romain Bardet lost 1:57 minutes to Hindley. Turini2 (talk) 12:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to edit that way if you consider it to be better. Also, please use the reply template, I do not have all pages on my watchlist. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zwerg Nase Ah, I was of the understanding that the reply button on the visual editor pings you regardless. Thanks for the heads up! Turini2 (talk) 13:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)