Talk:2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries

Dean Phillips should be in the infobox
The delegate results of Ohio have now been tabulated, Dean Phillips has received three. That ties him with Jason Palmer. Going via precedent, this means he should be in the infobox. In the recent history of incumbent Presidents' primary elections (Trump '20, Obama '12, Bush '04, Clinton '96, Bush '92, etc), there is not one example of the silver medalist candidate not being included in the infobox. Phillips not only got the second-most (tied) amount of delegates amongst the candidates, but also has second place in the PV (3.5%). He should be in the infobox. Thoughts? RickStrate2029 (talk) 01:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The previous precedent has been to only include people if they (1) win a contest, (2) get 5% of the vote, or (3) get 5% of the delegates. Additionally, second place gets added if no other candidate meets the above requirements. This discussion is already occurring in the thread directly above this - I suggest we keep all discussion in one thread to avoid talk page bloat. Michelangelo1992 (talk) 23:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not sure why Jason Palmer qualifies. That's the equivalent of adding Faith Spotted Eagle because she won an electoral vote. If he was that curiously aligned with reader's interest, they'd click on the American Samoa contest. At least Dean got 3% of the vote. Borifjiufchu (talk) 05:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Palmer is included because he won a contest outright (American Samoa), not because he won delegates. Jamedeus (talk) 00:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Dean Phillips inclusion survey
There have been several discussions on the matter which are hard to follow. Hopefully a final centralized discussion will help to determine a true consensus. Should Dean Phillips be included in the infobox? Esolo5002 (talk) 21:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes. The second place real person should always be included in my opinion. KittyTeam (talk) 21:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No. There should only be one second-place person in the infobox, and Palmer takes priority as he won a statewide contest. Longestview (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No. There was an RFC in 2017 and also in 2020 where these issues were discussed and where criteria for infobox inclusion was established. Phillips does not meet the current criteria. We should not deviate from these decisions without another formal RFC. Michelangelo1992 (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. The second place person's inclusion in the infobox for presidential primaries is clear precedent; there seems to be an attempt to limit the infobox to three people, this is inherently limiting as there is a person who won the second-most amount of contests (1) and a different person who won the second-most amount of delegates (4). They both warrant inclusion. RickStrate2029 (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Y'know, I think a Better question should be "What should the criteria for inclusion in this articles infobox be?:" rather than just "DeAn PHIlliPs InClusion sUrvRy",but until then, I'll go for Yes. InterDoesWiki (talk) 22:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Phillips has won delegates. With such a low number of candidates who have actually done so, it makes both Phillips and Palmer notable enough over every other minor candidate. Yeoutie (talk) 03:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, he should be there since he is the second candidate with more delegates (one above Palmer) and clearly has gotten much more media attention than Palmer as the second place in the Democratic primaries. H3nrique Bregie (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * NO. Phillips has neither 5% of the vote, nor has won a contest. Adding him would mean adding people like Ben Carson, Rudy Giuliani, and John Edwards to their primary pages. NonHydranary (talk) 00:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. He is the second place human.If this means we need to change other pages to reflect this policy, so be it. Jeff101 jr (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. He is the second place human in terms of both popular vote and delegate count. Palmer should still remain seeing as he won a contest, but there is no clear reason to include Palmer without including Phillips as well. 2600:100C:B231:A833:645B:81A2:EAB6:39D1 (talk) 21:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No per the 2017 & 2020 RFC only one second place challenger should be featured if the race was non-competitive, in this case it was already Palmer (who held the second-most states). Expoe34 (talk) 05:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Jason Palmer Purple Color
in the current map, the shade of purple and blue are a tad too similar; id like to suggest we change his dark purple to something more distinct to Pres. Biden's dark blue, something like yellow or orange. Tildin (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

According to the Survey Results, Dean Phillips is being added to the Infobox
In a 6-3 vote, democracy has aired in the favor of Dean Phillips' addition to the infobox. He will be added accordingly. RickStrate2029 (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The Survey should probably be Archived to prevent late-voting when the Survey has been completed. InterDoesWiki (talk) 02:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

This article needs attention.
It does not reflect events of the past couple of weeks which dramatically affect its composition. I am not an experienced editor and don’t feel comfortable doing it myself and want to give experienced editors the opportunity first. 65.131.41.68 (talk) 12:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What specifically do you feel needs to be mentioned? While yes there has been sigificant events regarding who is/will be the Democratic nominee, nothing has really occured related to the primaries, which is the topic of this article. -- Zim Zala Bim talk 13:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Emphasis on relevance to the article's topic itself the party's 2024 primaries (which ended in June, before this talk page thread was created in July).


 * "events of the past couple of weeks" in general will be the reason inclusion of content is not appropriate.


 * see WP: NOTNEWS ("what wikipedia is not: wikipedia is not a newspaper").


 *  NOTE: "Giving" experienced editors "opportunity" (first or otherwise) is like seeing litter and "giving" volunteer litter crews "first opportunity" to pick it up. 
 *  NOTE: "Giving" experienced editors "opportunity" (first or otherwise) is like seeing litter and "giving" volunteer litter crews "first opportunity" to pick it up. 


 * If you think adding something will improve an article
 * - if you want to add it, you should add it.
 * If you think you accidentally might fuck it up
 * - you should add it. Pimprncess (talk) 03:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

If Joe Biden is not the nominee
Yes, I know WP:CRYSTALBALL but considering that there is a real possibility that Biden is not the Democratic nominee, I figured I'd post this so there is a plan in place in case someone else (say, Kamala Harris) is the nominee. Since, as far as I know, neither party has nominated someone so unexpectedly in the era of national primaries, I am using the precedent of the 1968 Democratic Party presidential primaries page, where the eventual nominee was Hubert Humphrey, who actually came in fifth in the delegate count and sixth in the popular vote in the primaries. In that infobox, Humphrey is shown after the two leading primary candidates. Based on that, I am proposing having Harris in the last position on the infobox but having her name be bolded.

Of course, WP:CRYSTALBALL so we cannot assume Kamala Harris will be the nominee. If it's someone else, we can simply change the photo, name, and vote total.

I looked through all state results very quickly. More research might find more information. This was the number of write-ins for Harris that I found: Vermont: 23, Pennsylvania: 10 Total: 33

There's probably an argument to be made that, whether or not Joe Biden is the nominee, he has won the primaries in the sense that he has the most pledged delegates (even if they do not ultimately vote for him)

Baconheimian (talk) 15:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Biden no longer running for President
https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320 2601:C6:8303:5A90:61AE:13E3:1EE1:E739 (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)