Talk:2024 Harehills riot

Propose move
I would suggest we move to 2024 Harehills riot; it is how it is being widely referred to; the BBC, the Times, Talk, GB News etc etc. I think only we are referring to it as 'unrest'. Mtaylor848 (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Concern over edits by InThePurpleSkyAbove
Hello folks, I've been working on clarifying some of the demographic claims on the page, based on concerns that some of the good faith additions, actually misrepresent the available data. One major claims by @InThePurpleSkyAbove is that Harehills is majority British Pakistani, the demographic data does not provide evidence for this. I've left a note on their talk page requesting that they read WP:RS. The changes I had made, which were more accurate were immediately reverted by the editor. I don't want to get involved with an edit war, but the changes they are making are do not reflect what the sources they use say. For example: This is simply not reported in the sources: There is no statistical information that supports this assertion. This diff shows the constructive improvements I had made to the demographic information. I would appreciate the views from other editors, but I do not think it is appropriate for sources used by @InThePurpleSkyAbove to be mis-represented in this way. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * .. with a demographic plurality of British Pakistanis
 * Areainsights does not use the word British Pakistani anywhere, so cannot support the claim
 * the Time of India does say this, but don't say where the assertion came from, and none of the demographic data I have looked at shows this
 * the novara media source uses this quote "We’re Romanian, Gypsy, Pakistani, Asian ..."


 * Adding a few pings @ Mtaylor848, @ അദ്വൈതൻ , @WikiCleanerMan Lajmmoore (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the sources but I think it's important to mention British Pakistanis and British Muslims in lead and in the demographics sections for the following reasons :
 * British Pakistanis were involved in the riots at a later stage
 * The area is heavily dominated by Muslims, predominantly Pakistani but also a many Bangladeshis and Arabs
 * There is a significant presence of social media posts and heresy from across the political spectrum attributing the riots as being a "Muslim riot" similar to the various troubles with gypsies and Muslims across Europe.
 * There's a secondary undercurrent story about British Asian youths from the Bangladeshi and Pakistani community rioting for no real reason other than the usual socioeconomic indicators, and the values of community spirit in that area.
 * There's a sense that editors want to remove references to British Pakistanis because it's seen as Islamophobic, but the reality is that most of these assertions are factual. British Muslims do indeed dominate the area and many were involved in the riots at the later stages. TimingIsThere (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "Originally immigrating in the 1960's, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are at present the largest immigrant groups in Harehills."
 * https://crp.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2016/03/Harehillsmappingreport.pdf
 * The word-on-the-ground says that the area is dominated by Pakistanis, but you could also reword the lead to say "Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are at present the largest immigrant groups in Harehills.". TimingIsThere (talk) 17:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * British Pakistani
 * This source which was already provided uses the term British Pakistani in its Statistics table. So let's keep that term in the article. Also note that the word used is plurality(significant number or in large numbers) not majority.
 * I have reviewed the sources provided for verification, and added failed verification template for one which appears to be unrelated to the context of the statement
 * അദ്വൈതൻ (talk) 17:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You claims that, "The area is heavily dominated by Muslims," and "British Muslims do indeed dominate the area," are demonstrably false, given that 58% of the population is not Muslim. Reference to "social media posts and heresy" is by definition off-limits. People are saying all sorts of nonsense, usually to to perpetuate their own domestic - and not always UK - agendas. A summer flashpoint in a deprived area will inevitably reflect the local demographics. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the opposition argument, including yours, are also trying to perpetuate their own domestic or international agendas.
 * Anyway word-on-the-ground does say that the area is dominated by Muslims.
 * And further more the article doesn't say that the area is dominated by Muslims, only that a plurality are Pakistani which is provided in census data.
 * And in addition to the ones given, there is sufficient citations to agree that the area has a notable population of Muslims:
 * "She said: "I represent Gipton and Harehills. There's a large Muslim population there and there's always a lot of panic around that time on weekends from residents saying 'We're not able to get the body released'." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-64729287
 * "In Gipton & Harehills, the  'Muslim' community represents the largest religious group, making up 39.4% of the population."https://www.areainsights.co.uk/borough/leeds/gipton-harehills/
 * There are plenty of citations from right wing news outlet such as the Daily Mail and the Daily Express, but they won't fly on Wikipedia, I know.
 * You're argument is on false grounds anyway because the article doesn't actually say that Muslims dominate the area, even though they do in reality. It's not nonsense but factual. A lot of your stuff it literally far-left these days. TimingIsThere (talk) 14:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)