Talk:2024 Nuseirat rescue operation/Archive 2

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 June 2024
Your article states ‘Palestinians were killed’ but omits that 274 Palestinians and three Israeli hostages were killed as part of the ‘rescue’. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw44ve90dppo https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/10/israel-hostage-rescue-death-toll/ 49.180.185.133 (talk) 22:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

That is already stated in the article lead? Selfstudier (talk) 22:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2024
Clarification 2601:243:2301:AAC0:F47F:62D5:67C9:4A7B (talk) 03:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Video of rescue
Video under free license, for the #Rescue section: Thank you, · מקףHyphen&#3572; · 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)



SYNTH in lead
Can someone please explain to me like I'm 5 why the following, which has remained in the lead for several days, is not WP:SYNTH:
 * The Gaza Health Ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its statistics, nor how they were killed or by whom.

But the following, which has been removed for being SYNTH, for some reason is:
 * A United Nations investigation has found that the IDF frequently attacks civilian targets without "distinction, proportionality and precautions".

The former cites two random, irrelevant articles not about this event, one from seven months ago and one from eight months ago. The latter cites a UN report that was released a few days ago. Seems to me like one of the most flagrant violations of NPOV I've seen on here. Dylanvt (talk) 11:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I suggest putting the second one back in without the lengthy quote and cite that this was in reference to this particular attack not just any attack, just use the same RS that was used in the article body (the removal said it was not in the body but that's not actually true, it is). No idea what the synth assertion is about. Selfstudier (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I added a sentence at the end of the lead. Selfstudier (talk) 15:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think “nor how they were killed or by whom” should be removed unless better sources can be found to replace the ones that do not mention the topic of this article. I have already found a source for “The Gaza Health Ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its statistics” and placed it in this article. Wafflefrites (talk) 15:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Removed. The combat statistics methodology statement is totally indue and irrelevant in the lead. It doesn't help explain the actual subject at all. It is a meta discussion and belongs only in the body, if it's even there. Also single-sourced to CNN. The BBC source was from Nov. WP:ONUS applies. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just checked. It's one sentence in the body that would hardly warrant verbatim replication in the lead even if there wasn't a serious meta discussion problem in a lead context. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @GidiD I saw the info that you added and moved it to the Casualties section due to this discussion on the talk page. I also trimmed info from the Casualties section that could be taken as synth and added another relevant source. Am glad that the sources you provided are relevant to this article. :) Wafflefrites (talk) 01:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Strong condemnation from the UN calling the Nuseirat operation a Massacre
On June 14, 2024, UN human rights experts condemned a massacre by Israeli forces in the Nuseirat Refugee Camp in Gaza. During a hostage rescue mission on June 8, Israeli forces, allegedly aided by foreign soldiers and disguised as displaced persons and aid workers, executed an attack that killed at least 274 Palestinians, including 64 children and 57 women, and injured nearly 700. The operation involved brutal ground and air assaults, inflicting widespread terror, death, and despair among the residents

OHCHR](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-experts-condemn-outrageous-disregard-palestinian-civilians-during-israels). Loguerto (talk) 21:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)