Talk:2025 Formula One World Championship

Lewis Hamilton Joins Ferrari
Me being Indecent: When a move is so mental that Next Season's wiki page gets made before this season even starts Wycombefan (talk) 08:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was wondering about that. I am of the opinion that WP:SIGCOV is still not met for this article. SSSB (talk) 08:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Seems WP:TOOSOON. The article is bascially nothing but that shocking move. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Sure, whatever. All I know is that there hasn't been a season for the last half dozen years when I haven't wished there was an article like this for the coming season. It's the best way to track who's under contract for the next season and the rules and schedule changes that are announced during the year and that incredibly useful access to information is continuously sabotaged by rulenazis who most likely doesn't actually care about F1 anyway. But as long as this resource will stay available I'll be happy. Djungelurban (talk) 12:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Since you are not actually arguing that WP:SIGCOV is met, this sounds a lot like "I want this article to exist because it is WP:USEFUL. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a database for contracts or a live update service. SSSB (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Why is no one requesting or proposing deletion then? Tvx1 08:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Reverting
If you're going to revert like you did here, you have to give a reason, especially for edits that aren't just obvious vandalism. Why do you think the table shouldn't be allowed to be auto-width? Per Help:Table, Setting widths is discouraged for the most part on Wikipedia because it interferes with the ability of the browser to adjust content to suit the browser window, device size, zoom settings, user-end font size choices, and other constraints.  Cerebral726 (talk) 16:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * That is just a copyedit from 2024 season. Island92 (talk) 16:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That explanation does not make any sense. For what must be the thousandth time, something not following convention on other pages is not a reason to continue the issue, especially when it is an arbitrary pixel count that is causing weird gaps in the table columns.  Cerebral726 (talk) 16:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok. Island92 (talk) 17:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Mercedes power unit
Regarding this edit, please review MOS:EGG and MOS:MORELINKWORDS and revert yourself. Mercedes power unit is significantly more clear than Mercedes power unit in setting the reader's expectations to go to Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains rather than Mercedes or one of the other main Mercedes articles. This clearly violates the Manual of Style without any benefit.  Cerebral726 (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

"2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025_Emilia_Romagna_Grand_Prix&redirect=no 2025 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Martin talk  02:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Ferrari HP
Despite this new title sponsor, Ferrari has never entered with it in 2024. I do not understand why Ferrari should do it in 2025. There is no seasonal-entry list released just yet. We should keep Scuderia Ferrari only in my opinion. Island92 (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 19:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * haven't looked at what the source says, but this reasoning is WP:OR SSSB (talk) 19:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For what? Ferrari are not competing with HP. Why they should do it in 2025? How much are we sure about that? There is no indication, entry list released just yet. If there is an evidence confirming it (the best one as to be the season entry list) hence we will update it as well. Island92 (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, it's the other way around. Ferrari has not used HP as part of its entry name, and there is nothing to suggest they will do so in future. It's only been placed in this article due to a mistaken assumption (or in other words, OR). 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 20:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, it's been placed in the article because the cited source says there is a multi-year deal between HP and Ferrari and as part of this they will enter as "Scuderia Ferrari HP" from the 2024 Miami Grand Prix.In the opening comment in this thread it says "I do not understand why Ferrari should [enter as 'Scuderia Ferrari HP' in 2025." The fact that you that thinks this is the case makes it WP:OR. The fact that you are comparing this source to the entry lists for this year to reach your conclusion is WP:SYNTHESIS (a type of WP:OR)Now, if Wikipedia allowed original research I would 100% agree with the analysis and I would agree that "HP" should be removed. But Wikipedia does not allow original research so until a source backs up the claim that the HP agreement does not apply, we cannot remove it. SSSB (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do we have an 2025 entry list now? No. Who knows how they will enter? When HP was introduced, I was convinced Ferrari would enter as Scuderia Ferrari HP from 2023 Miami Grand Prix onwards. That was not the case. Ferrari is not competing by including HP at all. Why this should be the case for 2025? In the first publication of the 2025 entry list we will have the final proof, but reporting now HP for 2025 is just wrong assuming. Island92 (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That source is clearly incorrect since Ferrari have never entered as "Scuderia Ferrari HP". How can it remain credible? 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 13:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not wrong assuming because we are not assuming. We are repeating what the source says.How can the source remain credible? Because it is from HP, a reliable source when it comes to HP PR.Now, if you want to change your argument from WP:OR to WP:inaccuracy, then we should still have a footnote that reliable sources report that they will compete as "Scuderia Ferrari HP" on a multi-year basis from 2024 Miami Grand Prix, will specifying that they haven't actually done this yet. SSSB (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's nonsensical. An obvious prerequisite for a source to be reliable is for it to be accurate. You're insisting we need to retain factually incorrect information in an article because of a press release which makes claims about a future arrangement which has never come to pass? Surely you can see this is a ridiculous position to hold. This is nothing more than OR or some sort of weird, anti-COMMONSENSE wikilawyering about what an RS is. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 04:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand the difference between reliability and accuracy. A source of information (HP in this case) can be reliable while making the occasional inaccurate comment. We are not retaining factually incorrect information because we don't know it is factual incorrect (with regard to 2025). You are speculating that the 2025 information is incorrect based on the 2024 info being incorrect. We know it is factually incorrect vis-a-vis 2024 Miami to know, but that does not make it factually incorrect for 2025. If you want to speculate that the source is incorrect on all counts, I will speculate the source is only incorrect on the 2024 team name. Either way, we are speculating on either a miscommunication between lawyers and PR teams of the two companies. And my speculation carries as much weight as yours. Which is why the appropraite course of action is to follow the advise in Inaccuracy: that we should include a footnote that the source which comes from a reliable source is potential inaccurate when discussing the 2025 name. SSSB (talk) 07:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)