Talk:2026 Winter Olympics/Archive 1

Request for Comment
There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Boston 2026
According to the Boston 2026 website, they are no longer considering a bid. Teddy5288 (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Barcelona 2026
The new mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, has announced the withdrawal of the bid due to the "lack of popular consensus". Source (in Spanish): http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/barcelona/20150617/54432882701/barcelona-retira-candidatura-juegos-olimpicos-invierno.html Xelaxa (talk) 17:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Requirements
It would be of interest, if someone would add a chapter on requirements on hosts. Which arenas are needed? Which sports have special demand on locations, like the downhill? Maximium distances between venues? Are two countries allowed and under which conditions? Etc.--BIL (talk) 10:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Bozeman
Bozeman, Montana is a potential bid for 2026 in case Los Angeles loses to Paris for 2024. Why is it being removed every time I add it in there?Johnny Brockman (talk) 04:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I would love for this to be true, but can find support only for the assertion that there is some interest in Bozeman, and even that article says it is unlikely to amount to anything. I can find no evidence that anyone from Bozeman is working with the USOC to make this happen. I can especially find no support for your assertion that Bozeman is a potential bid if LA 2024 falls through. Because this section is limited to cities which are working with "their respective National Olympic Committee," cite to credible evidence that the USOC is working with Bozeman and I'm sure this edit will stop being removed. --Vanderdecken12 (talk) 14:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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Krakow and Lviv
Are Krakow, Poland and Lviv, Ukraine considering bids for 2026?Johnny Brockman (talk) 22:16, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Sapporo for 2030 or 2034?
I don't think Sapporo might bid for 2026 and I think they might hold off until 2030 or 2034 because of two consecutive Winter Olympics in Asia (Pyeongchang 2018 and Beijing 2022). Johnny Brockman (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Erzurum and Lillehammer
Isn't this against WP:NOR? Just because a someone doesn't deign to inform Wikipedia, doesn't mean that the bid is not going to happen. Several articles covered the bid:

https://gamesbids.com/eng/featured/turkeys-president-confirms-preparations-for-erzurum-2026-olympic-winter-games-bid-underway/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ski/news/2026-winter-olympics-bidding-cities/

I have reinstated those bids. Please do not remove them, just because there is no information, and if you do, provide a link as to why they were removed. Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research 47.144.144.50 (talk) 08:04, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Italy's renewed interest in hosting 2026
I recently updated "Potential Bids" to include Turin, Italy as the debate is currently taking place in the city after its mayor publicly pledged support for it. This has since created quite a buzz in the country, with the mayor of Milan and the region of Veneto also expressing their willingness to throw their hat in the ring. Unfortunately a user moved my update to "Previously interested in bidding" and stated that since the IOC Session is taking place in Milan, that this bid is not possible. This is not accurate, as the Italian National Olympic Committee is mulling the idea to forego hosting the IOC session in order to allow a bid to happen. Further reading can be found here at the following links   Trappy (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I returned the information I had initially posted under "Potential Bids", as developments continue to unfurl in the national Italian news. Trappy (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism by unsigned user
Hello,

Recently I've tracked some edits made from an unsigned users. One of thes edits suggests that Stockholm's 2026 bid would use Sigulda bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton track in Latvia for the sliding events. As this was not sourced or mentioned in any website at all, plus the fact that the Swedish Olympic Committee may use Lillehammer Olympic Bobsleigh and Luge Track instead, I had to remove this twice.

Other vandalisms include adding Nagano as part of the Sapporo bid and Heerenveen in the Netherlands.

IMO this page should be protected from non-registered edits. Ivaneurope (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I've requested indefinite semi-protection for disruptive editing. This doesn't guarantee that protection will be granted. Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:17, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

First of all an apology: When writing the text about sliding events in Sigulda, which has been widely commented on in Swedish and Latvian press, I didn't insert references since I don't know how to do it. I apologize. I realize this was wrong. Unless I learn how to, I will not in the future add any informaion to Wikipedia. I'm happy that Ivaneurope later has done what I failed to do. Why he had to remove the text twice I have no idea. I didn't persist. Also, since I didn't change anything about the other cities there must be more than one vandal out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.231.220 (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * @85.227.231.220 When unsourced material pops up in an article it can be very difficult to work out whether it's vandalism or just good faith editing with unproven "facts". Unfortunately there are some people who just like to be disruptive for some reason, but if you are struggling to include sources then that's a different matter entirely. Please don't be disheartened and please DO continue to add information to Wikipedia, you may have found something important that no-one else has noticed!
 * You may have difficulty editing this article now that it's been semi-protected but if you submit an edit it will be marked as pending before being reviewed by an administrator.
 * You can find useful information on including references in Citing sources and Inline citation. When I started editing I found it easiest to just look at how other people handled their citations, and I just copied the syntax that was generally used. If you open up the editing area of the current article and search for the reference material you will be able to see lots of examples of the ref-cite-web-url type (well that's what I call them!) Hope this helps. Rodney Baggins (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I had imposed a week’s cooling-off period on myself before answering.

First a sincere thank-you to Rodney Baggins personally for the advice regarding references. I regret having to inform you that I will not use it.

Even after a week it still hurts me to be labelled as a vandal for posting easily verifiable correct information and be told that said information was utterly ridiculous. As a matter of fact the information was so easily verifiable that the accuser posted essentially the same information within an hour, admittedly in a technically vastly superior format. Yes, I have a thin skin (mosquitos just love me). Professionally I consider things like this as par of the course and then it doesn’t really bother me that much. Exposing myself for this when doing something for “altruistic” reasons? Forget it!

I also find it quite funny that editing of this page has been restricted due to a request where the main allegation was effectively nullified by its author even before the request was considered.

(Not really relevant but I’m disappointed that my passive-aggressive first response didn’t have the intended effect. Please note that the only thing I apologized for was not knowing how to insert references).

For the record: I have done one (1) edit here. It only concerned Stockholm’s bid. Apparently someone else has also tried to post the information eventually posted by our accuser. As for what has been posted regarding other issues I have no comment.

Before bidding you farewell: Since I neither can nor want to edit this page someone might be interested in doing something with this information https://www.svd.se/svenska-folket-vill-inte-ha-en-os-ansokan

Maria Johansson

PS I was surprised to learn that the SOC ever seriously considered Lillehammer as a venue for the sliding events. Where can one find more information about that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.145.133 (talk) 11:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Please stop adding cities to the PyeongChang Observer Program
If you look at the reference it clearly states "Four 2026 Olympic Bid Cities To Travel To PyeongChang For Observer Program". Those four cities were Calgary in Canada, Sapporo in Japan, Sion in Switzerland and Stockholm in Sweden, as stated in the reference. Because those four cities joined the dialogue stage early, they were given the opportunity to participate in the PyeongChang 2018 Observer Program, allowing them to learn more about the organization of the Winter Games. Any other cities that have since joined the dialogue stage DID NOT take part in the PyeongChang Observer Program and should therefore not be included in this list. Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC) If you are in any doubt, here is the reference again: https://gamesbids.com/eng/featured/four-2026-olympic-bid-cities-travel-pyeongchang-observer-program/ Rodney Baggins (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Official Reference for Norway no longer being interested
Can someone add this: https://gamesbids.com/eng/featured/erzurum-turkey-officially-enters-growing-2026-olympic-bid-race/

Mustafa Ilıcalı, an Erzurum official from Erdogan’s ruling AK Party reported the news on Twitter, he said “I would like to extend my gratitude to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and my Government for the support of Erzurum for the official candidacy application for the 2026 Winter Olympics.” The announcement comes just hours ahead of a Saturday International Olympic Committee (IOC) deadline for interested National Olympic Committees (NOC) to declare interest in bidding for the 2026 edition of the Games. Already interest has been declared internationally by Calgary in Canada, Graz and Schladming in Austria, Sapporo in Japan, Sion in Switzerland, Stockholm in Sweden and a joint Milan-Turin project in Italy. On Thursday officials in Lillehammer confirmed Norway would not enter the race for 2026...

If you guys are willing to drop the protection, I can edit in the other references. If not - I won't. Up to you. Either way - you guys should edit in that reference for Lillehammer. 47.144.144.50 (talk) 01:02, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I'll add the Erzurum ref. for you seeing as you asked so nicely. Rodney Baggins (talk) 07:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Relocation of 134th IOC session from Milan to Lausanne
The following statement has recently been removed from the Italy bid:

''...as the IOC regulations prevent a country from bidding for the Games if the IOC Session is being held in that country, the Italian bid is dependent on Sion dropping out of the race after the June referendum, allowing the 134th IOC Session to be relocated from Milan to the IOC headquarters in Lausanne. This conclusion is anticipated due to strong opposition to the Sion bid in Switzerland according to recent polls.''

Does anyone know where this information originally came from? Recent edits have highlighted the fact that it does not appear to be sourced. I think the contentious bit is the speculation that the session will be moved to IOC HQ in Lausanne (as opposed to anywhere else) and also that it depends on the results of the Sion referendum. Rodney Baggins (talk) 15:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I've done a bit of rooting around in the History and found out that the information first appeared here:
 * Revision as of 20:49, 16 March 2018 by 88.193.180.199 (talk) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2026_Winter_Olympics&oldid=830769305

It was stated as a "rumour" at the time with no source given and it was left unchallenged. Consequently it was accepted as fact and became interwoven into the fabric of the article, even being replicated in other locations, such as the Sion bid (still there) and even the introduction (now removed). Can anyone confirm whether there is any truth in this rumour? If not, we should probably remove all mention of it from the article, including the Sion bid section. Rodney Baggins (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I wondered about this myself. I personally think that if the information can't be proven, we should remove it. An article published in the Washington Post on March 29 states that, "In the past, session hosts could not bid but the IOC has said that is no longer an issue." Reference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/milan-and-turin-joining-forces-for-2026-olympic-bid/2018/03/29/4a3a2b86-3343-11e8-b6bd-0084a1666987_story.html?utm_term=.6d4b58c03e62 Furthermore, it's worth noting that the same article states, "CONI’s decision eliminates a prospective bid from the Veneto and Dolomites region which would have centered on 1956 Winter Olympics host Cortina d’Ampezzo" which means we would need to remove that location from Potential Bids. Trappy (talk) 10:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Bid Articles
Now that we have seven accepted bids, can we start doing independent articles on the bids, or would they not be considered noteworthy? A couple of examples from the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_bid_for_the_2022_Winter_Olympics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaty_bid_for_the_2022_Winter_Olympics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_bid_for_the_2022_Winter_Olympics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraków_bid_for_the_2022_Winter_Olympics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_bid_for_the_2022_Winter_Olympics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_bid_for_the_2022_Winter_Olympics

I don't want to spend a bunch of time on them, and then get it deleted because it's not noteworthy, so I'm asking, is it ok to start? 47.144.144.50 (talk) 21:30, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I personally think you are being a little premature. Essentially, all that has happened so far is that these cities have expressed an interest in entering the candidature process, they have not yet submitted bids (let alone had their bids accepted!) It's still very early days. In October of this year the IOC will invite a subset of the interested cities to take part in the candidature stage, which could well be all seven of them, or maybe not. The deadline for submitting the candidature files is 11 Jan 2019. Maybe that would be a good time to split off into separate articles about the individual cities' bids? Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:43, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Sion's Out
Source: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/sion-2026_close-vote-expected-on-swiss-bid-for-winter-olympics--/44180728


 * Voters throw out latest Swiss bid to host Winter Olympics... Fifty-four per cent of voters in the Swiss canton of Valais have said no to bidding for the 2026 Winter Olympics. Citizens in the largest towns in the region, including Sion which would have been the host city, rejected the plan which would have seen CHF100 million ($100 million) of their tax money pay for some of the infrastructure and security. Perhaps surprisingly, voters also said no in some of the largest ski areas in the canton, including Zermatt and Nendaz - the latter linked to the fashionable resort of Verbier. Crans-Montana and Saas-Fee were two mountain resorts where voters approved the bid...

Should we reflect this in our well protected article? 47.144.144.50 (talk) 17:40, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

For those who need a secondary source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/international/ct-spt-winter-olympics-sion-switzerland-20180610-story.html


 * Another Olympic hosting bid in Switzerland was sunk Sunday by a public vote against expected high costs. A total of 53.98 percent of voters in the Swiss region of Valais refused to pledge financial support for a 2026 Winter Games hosting bid centered on the town of Sion. "There is no plan B," Sion Mayor Philippe Varone said Sunday, declaring the bid campaign over. It is the third time in five years that a bid campaign supported by the Swiss national Olympic body was rejected by the people. In 2013, voters in the upscale ski resorts of St. Moritz and Davos, plus their home canton (state), rejected a bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics. Last year, the same Graubuenden region rejected a renewed campaign for 2026.

I think the primary source should definitely be in the article, as for the secondary source, that's up to you guys. 47.144.144.50 (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2018
Please change X to Y.

Move Sion, Switzerland to Previously Interested In Bidding and state the withdrawal of Sion and the reason for the withdrawal with the sources.

https://gamesbids.com/eng/featured/voters-defeat-sion-2026-olympic-winter-games-bid-ending-swiss-dreams/

https://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/winter-olympics/2026 47.213.228.198 (talk) 18:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 22:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Turin
The No Olympics Coordination (CoNO) in Turin has just sent a letter to Giovanni Malago explaining their reasons for the Olympics to not return to Turin because of the debts incurred by the 2006 games and Turin might be out of the picture, leaving Cortina d'Ampezzo and Milan as the two remaining Italian candidates.47.213.228.198 (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Citation?--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 03:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * https://cono2026.wordpress.com/2018/06/13/il-cono2026-consegna-una-lettera-al-coni/47.213.228.198 (talk) 04:47, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a strong enough source, a news article or something similar would be preferred. Also preferably in English.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 06:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * We have a precedent for that, in this article. When the Swedish Social Democrats, (a major political party in Sweden, rather than a fringe movement,) sent a letter, we noted it, but kept up Sweden's Bid. If CoNO is a noteworthy group, their objection should be noted. Until then, we should keep it as is, to avoid treating Sweden and Italy differently and thus avoid violating WP:BIAS. 47.144.152.95 (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Buenos Aires and Ushuaia
Argentina is considering a late run to bid for the Games (see here, here and here), I think it should be added to the article but I really don't know where to put it, since it's not part of the dialogue stage, should I add it to the candidature stage part? --BugWarp (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * New section, perhaps? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Something like "interested in bidding"? It's really weird. The IOC is notified of the bid, but is not an "advanced" bid like the ones from Calgary and Italy. Don't know what you think.--BugWarp (talk) 22:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Past tense
Much of this article needs to be updated to past tense style writing, concerning the 'now' former bids for the 2026 Games. GoodDay (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Bid Logos
The bid logos of the two candidatures have been released, so they should be added to this article and the Milan-Cortina d'Ampezzo bid article and the Stockholm-Are bid article.

Type this in the URL and it should come up. C:\Users\Owner\Pictures\two-logos.jpg 47.213.232.81 (talk) 04:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Unexplained reversion of edits
Please explain why you reverted the 2 perfectly reasonable edits that I made earlier today, without any reason. It is rather rude to revert another editor's work without at least providing an edit summary to explain why. For my part, I shall explain why I made the edits in the first place.

In my first edit, I clarified what the IOC Evaluation Commission is and replaced the gamesbids.com citation with a more reliable IOC citation. I specifically changed 'Chairman' to 'Chair' as this is more acceptable terminology and the wording that is used by the IOC. The heading "IOC" meant not a lot so I clarified it as "IOC's 2026 Evaluation Commission". All fairly reasonable so far?

In my second edit, I clarified the fact that four of the cities in the dialogue stage were involved right from the launch date and the others joined AFTER the observer program at PyeongChang 2018. I filled in two bare references with CS1 templates. Under "Cities in candidature stage" I corrected the grammar and tense used. For example, "Their governmental requirements must be fulfilled by 11 January 2019." changed to "The candidate cities were required to fulfill their governmental requirements by 11 January 2019." because that date is now in the past.

Please explain what you object to and why you reverted all this. It seems very illogical. Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I was trying to revert the IP's edits of adding information that has not 100% confirmed by the IOC, your edits appear to be collateral. my apologies. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Page move requests relating to "Stockholm-Åre" and "Milan-Cortina d'Ampezzo"
I want to draw people's attention to a couple of RMs I put in yesterday that you might not otherwise notice. I've been updating the entries for the two remaining bids (for Italy and Sweden) and I've spotted that the joint bid names are incorrectly hyphenated rather than just using a dash to loosely connect the two place names, where the dash would effectively represent the word "and". I've requested page moves for the associated bid pages. If you have an opinion on this, please see the related RMs for Milan-Cortina d'Ampezzo and Stockholm-Åre, where you will find my full explanation included. If the moves are successful, I'll make the associated changes in the 2026 Winter Olympics article as well. Thanks. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Can someone create a 2026 Winter Paralympics article?
Hi Wikipedia,

I don't have time to make one right now, but can someone start a page for the 2026 Winter Paralympics? It's currently a redirect link to Winter Paralympic Games. Thanks,

-TenorTwelve (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

How to write the name of the Games
I can see different ways to write the name. Can we set a rule for consistency of the 2026 Olympics related articles. what do you think ? Hektor (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Milan-Cortina d'Ampezzo
 * Milan - Cortina d'Ampezzo
 * Milan–Cortina d'Ampezzo
 * Milan – Cortina d'Ampezzo

Logo
FYI, the official twitter page of the campaign (https://twitter.com/milanocortina26) has the logo with the "candidate city" line removed. It's in png format. If someone knows how to convert it to an svg, we can use it. E Brown - Jun 28
 * The temporary logo is here. Hektor (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

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Host city image
The image for the host city needs updating. It's past the candidature stage. GoodDay (talk) 06:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Emblem
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Skeleton
Why is skeleton under bobsled? Shouldn't it be under luge? Wolf O&#39;Donnel (talk) 06:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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References for "Speed skating venue selection" (Milan vs Turin)
Section: "Development and preparations: Speed Skating venue selection"

Of the three news articles cited in this subsection, none corroborate the assertions that using Fiera Milano would cost €30 million (the articles report the cost as €20 million) or that using the Turin site would cost less (the articles do not mention cost estimates for Turin), so I will revise this subsection to reflect the information in the referenced articles.

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Original subsection:

During the bid process, the Committee proposed that the speed skating events should be held at the speed skating stadium in Baselga di Pinè. However, despite the infrastructure being ready, it required a roof which impact and cost studies indicated would be very expensive, potentially breaking the budget. So instead, the Committee deliberated over two choices: building a new and temporary ice rink in the pavilions of Fiera Milano, an option that would require significant structural work, or move the events to the Oval Lingotto in the city of Turin which required no structural improvements.

The Oval Lingotto hosted the speed skating events during the 2006 Winter Olympics and has hosted events since. The Oval also hosted the 2007 Winter Universiade speed skating event and is scheduled to host it again in 2025. In April 2023, it was confirmed that the temporary ice rink in Fiera Milano would cost nearly €30 million to be developed while Oval Lingotto would cost less than €10 million and will take only a year. Despite being the cheaper option, Oval Lingotto received opposition from local authorities, including Giuseppe Sala and those from the regions of Lombardy and Veneto.[5] Fiera Milano was confirmed as the speed skating venue on 19 April 2023.[6][7]

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References:

[5] "Bach to meet Italian PM as Milan Cortina 2026 speed skating venue due to be ratified". 14 April 2023.

[6] Rowbottom, MIke (19 April 2023). "Milan The Unanimous Choice for Speed Skating at 2026 Winter Olympics". Inside the Games. Retrieved 19 April 2023.

[7] Ridley, Bob (19 April 2023). "Fiera Milano Rho To Be New Home for Speed Skating at 2026 Winter Olympics". The Stadium Business. Retrieved 19 April 2023. Starbucks301 (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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