Talk:20 Battery Royal Artillery

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This page has taken a considerable amount of time effort and research to compile, and has involved acquiring copies of original document and source material from archives and historical societies from the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom to name but a few. We have also been in touch with the living descendants of former commanders to attempt to identify more information on them.

Whilst corrections to any spelling, grammar or other refinements are welcome wholesale deletion or changes without contacting the author are not. It is basic common courtesy to query the author before attempting such changes and any attempt to do so without prior discussion will be treated as vandalism and removed. This article is however a work in progress and will be both added to and referenced as time goes on, suggestions are always welcome. This article has been placed on Wikipedia by the unit in question and with the knowledge of the Royal Artillery Archives in Woolwich.--Drakons (talk) 05:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You should read Ownership of articles can I also suggest you use the Template:Infobox military unit to improve the layout --Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:45, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Having been through your recommended reading I would also suggest you read the following excerpt:

"Even though people can never "own" an article, it is still important to respect the work and ideas of your fellow contributors. Therefore, when removing or rewriting large amounts of content, particularly if this content was written by one editor, it is often more effective to try to work with the editor, instead of against them"

Given that it is my particular unit that the article refers to and i initially published it I do have an interest in ensuring that, whilst it is added to and edited by all as is the Wikipedia process, chunks of information and text are not removed wholesale nor that an organisation attempts to "brand" the page as being affiliated to their one group. In line with Wikipedia etiquette I would suggest that if you plan on deleting vast chunks of the article that are not factually incorrect you enter a discussion. I would certainly not make any such sweeping changes to a page without doing so.--192.101.252.103 (talk) 11:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

One other point to note prior to making changes, the additions you have made to the box on the right are incorrect. If you had entered into a discussion I could have informed you of this, ie Woolwich has not been the HQ of the Gunners, let alone 16th Regiment since 2007. It ceased to be the home of the Royal Artillery and was handed over to the infantry. The Royal Artillery HQ is now Larkhill and 16th Regiment itself is based at North Luffenham. I suggest you read the article.--192.101.252.103 (talk) 11:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Woolwich as the HQ was taken from the article. AT the moment this article is to put it bluntly a mess its unencyclopaedic and full of pov statements and comments that have little or nothing to do wit the battery. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 12:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If you had read the full article then you would have noted the change of location mentioned at the end. If you could please explain the terms "Pov" it would be appreciated. Given that you obviously have no interest in Wikipedia etiquette or in fact any of the contents of the page you directed me to it seems that you have a rather "do what I say not what I do" attitude. You are currently engaged in what can only be described as wholesale vandalism of this page. You have changed the text removing factual data and putting in its place what I can only assume is guesswork or assumptions. You have changed much of the phraseology etc. in such a way that I can only assume that you are an American with some prejudiced views regarding the American War of Independence. I am currently in Afghanistan and as such have limited time on the internet but when you have finished with your slash and burn techniques I will have a look and see what I can recover.--Drakons (talk) 13:23, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia refers to the American War of Independence as the American Revolutionary War and it has its own task force WikiProject Military history/American Revolutionary War task force. The wholesale vandalism you refer to is an attempt to make a worthwhile article from what is here. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject.
can you stop deleting the WikiProject Military history banner from this talk page. The article is within the scope of the project. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions
This article needs details of the present day unit. A breakdown of the battery into troops equipment used etc. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Caption
"Corporal Simon Orchard with the Javelin air defence system". This is the caption for the photograph, but I thought that two-stripers in the RA were 'Bombardiers'. They were when I was serving, also the 'Description' part of the picture has the 'B' word. Does anyone know why the caption is so worded?

A better caption might be: "Bombardier (Corporal) Simon Orchard with the Javelin air defence system" RASAM (talk) 14:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Changed it to "Bombardier" as instructed by Simon Orchard himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.198.36 (talk) 14:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats good, but what about readers who don't know what a bombardier is and even if it is linked, can't be bothered to click on it and find out? Was the bombardier/corporal idea suggested to Simon Orchard? RASAM (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Designations
01/01/1771 Formed as 7th (Johnstones) Company 4th Battalion 1859 Renamed 6 Battery, 10 Brigade 01/07/1877 Renamed 8 Battery, 9 Brigade. 01/04/1882 Renamed 1 Battery, 1 Brigade Scottish Division 01/07/1889 Renamed 7 Battery, Southern Division 01/08/1891 Renamed 7 Company, Southern Division 01/06/1899 Renamed 7 Company RGA, Southern Division RGA 01/01/1902 Renamed 14 Company RGA 31/08/1918 Became Part of No 6 Fire Command RGA 30/06/1920 Became Part of HQ Golden Hill 04/09/1920 Became Part of F Coast Battery RGA 10/04/1922 Separated from F Coast Battery. Renamed Y Coast Battery RGA 01/05/1924 Renamed 15 Heavy AA Battery 01/03/1928 Absorbed 34 Heavy Battery 14/12/1940 Renamed 15 Coast Battery Renamed 15 HAA Battery 01/04/1947 Renamed 20 HAA Battery 1955 Renamed 20 Medium Battery 1961 Renamed 20 (Amphibious Operations) Battery, 95 Regiment 1964 Renamed 20 Light Battery 1965 Renamed 20 Commando (Amphibious Operations) Battery 1988 G Troop formed 1990 20 (Commando) Battery reformed 2004 Renamed 20 Battery Royal Artillery, 16 Regiment RA <!--

Battery Commanders
01/01/1771 - 01/12/1782	Captain W. Johnstone (Promoted to Lt. Colonel)

01/12/1782 – 21/05/1790	Captain T. Hare (Transferred to invalid Bn)

21/05/1790 – 25/09/1796	Captain T. Seaward (Promoted to Major)

25/09/1796 – 03/03/1797	Captain C. W. Thornton (Transferred to Invalid Bn)

04/03/1797 – 16/07/1799	Captain E. Trelawney (Appointed to C Tp RHA)

16/07/1799 – 01/10/1799	Captain S. C. Parry (Exchanged with G. Wulff 2 Bn)

01/01/1799 – 20/07/1804	Captain G. Wulff (Promoted to Major)

20/07/1804 – 24/03/1817	Captain J. T. Caddy (Promoted to Major)

24/03/1817 – 1820	Captain A. Bredin (Exchanged with G. Turner)

1820      – 26/12/1824	Captain G. Turner (Appointed to E Tp RHA)

26/12/1824 – 03/071830	Captain W. Greene (Suspended for being AWOL)

03/07/1830 – 13/04/1842	Captain F. R. Chesney (Promoted to Lt. Colonel) (Tigris and Euprhates Expedition)

13/04/1842 – 27/05/1850	Captain D. Thorndike (Promoted to Lt. Colonel)

27/05/1842 – 26/01/1855	Captain J. H. Lefroy (Appointed Sec to RA Institution)

26/01/1855 –		Captain S. R. Robinson

Although appointed on 26/01/1855 did not assume command until later, and Captain A.C. L. Fitzroy assumed command until his death.

26/01/1855 – 10/09/1855	Captain A.C.L. Fitzroy (Died of his Wounds at Sebastopol, mentioned twice for Gallentry)

01/01/1862 – 01/08/1862	Captain C. Carpenter (Acting Command)

oooooooooo - 05/08/1864	Captain S.R. Robinson (Promoted to Lt. Colonel)

05/08/1864 –		Captain H.S. Elliot

Taken ill and shipped back to the UK G.U. Knox assumed temporary command.

01/10/1866 – 08/05/1868	Captain G. U. Knox (Acting command)

oooooooooo - 11/07/1867	Captain H.S. Elliot (Replaced 11/07, went onto half pay 24/07. Died 28/12.)

11/07/1867 – 02/02/1868	Captain F.G. Ravenhill (Posted, never arrived at Bty Knox remained in command until his replacement arrived)

08/05/1868 – oooooooooo Captain J. T. Daubuz

Taken sick on 10/12/1869 and returned to the UK and did not return to the Bty. Lt. B. A. Ogle assumed acting command until his death, acting command was then assumed by Lt S. Simpson, until J.T. Daubuz died.

10/12/1869 – 23/04/1870	Lt. B. A. Ogle (Acting Command, died 23/04)

23/04/1870 – 14/03/1871	Lt. S. Simpson (Acting Command)

oooooooooo - 14/03/1871	Captain J. T. Daubuz (Died 14/03)

15/03/1871 - oooooooooo Captain F.G. Baylay

Assumed although appointed on 15/03/1871 did not arrive until 29/06/1872. Lt W. H. M. Duthie assumed acting command until the arrival of Captain A.J. Rait on 17/02/1872 who then assumed acting command, until F.G. Baylay’s arrival.

15/03/1871 – 17/02/1872	Lt W.H.M. Duthie (Acting Command)

17/02/1872 – 29/06/1872	Captain A.J. Rait (Acting Command)

oooooooooo - 27/07/1875 Captain F.G. Baylay (Posted)

27/07/1875 – 14/08/1875	Captain W.J.R. Harrison

15/08/1875 – 11/1877	Major R. Sandham (Exchanged with H. Brackenbury)

11/1877 -   oooooooooo	Major H. Brackenbury

Went on leave leaving Captain T. A Davies in command, Lt Vibart was in command 08/1878 – 09/1878, Captain T. W. Bridges assumed command 10/1878 – 11/1878 whereupon Lt Vibart took over from 12/1878 – 02/1879 was relieved by Lt M’Q Mcleod until Major Townsend arrived

02/1878   – 03/1878	Captain T.A. Davies (Acting Command)

08/1878   – 09/1878	Lt F.M.E. Vibart (Acting Command)

10/1878   – 11/1878	Captain T. W. Bridges (Acting Command)

11/1878   – 02/1879	Lt F.M.E. Vibart (Acting Command)

02/1878   – 09/1879	Lt R.G. M’Q Mcleod (Acting Command)

ooooooo	  - 09/1879    Major H. Brackenbury (Staff College)

09/1879   – 1880	Major C.W. Townsend (Exchanged with L.W.Taylor)

1880      – 23/05/1884	Major L.W. Taylor (Appointed to G/A RHA)

23/05/1884 - oooooooooo	Major P.K.L. Beaver

Appointed from half pay and did not arrive until 09/1884, Captain B. Burton assumed acting command until his arrival. Major Beaver went on leave from 06/1887 – 10/1887 Captain J.T. Johnston assumed Acting command until 09/1884, when Major Beaver retired to become a remount agent in Calcutta.

23/05/1884 – 09/1884	Captain B. Burton (Acting Command)

06/1887   – 09/1887	Captain J.T. Johnston (Acting Command)

09/1887   – 09/1887	Captain E.A.P. Hobday (Acting Command)

ooooooo   - 25/05/1889	Major P.K.L. Beaver (Retired to become remount agent in Calcutta)

25/05/1889 – oooooooooo	Captain E.A.P. Hobday

08/1889   - 03/01/1889	Captain R.A.K. Montgomery (Acting Command)

oooooooooo - 03/01/1889	Captain E.A.P. Hobday (Transferred to 55 Field Battery)

03/01/1889 – 27/01/1889	Lt H.B. Foote (Acting Command)

27/01/1889 – 28/02/1894	'''Captain G. Wright  28/02/1894 – 05/12/1896	Captain H.S. Dawkins''' (Transferred to 26 Field Bty)

05/12/1896 – 03/09/1897	Captain F. Potts (Acting Command)

03/09/1897 – 19/10/1897	Lt L.B.S. Christie (Acting Command)

19/10/1897 – 02/1898	Captain W.B.R. Sandys (Acting Command)

02/1898   - 12/11/1898	Major J.T. Johnston (Appointed DAAG RA Ireland)

12/11/1898 – 12/01/1899	Captain W.B.R. Sandys (Acting Command)

12/01/1899 – 28/06/1901	Major C.A. Howard (Transferred to 25 West Div)

28/06/1901 – 09/1905	Major Brownlow (Appointed to 2 MTN Bty RGA)

09/1905   - 03/04/1908 Major H.F. Head (Appointed as Director of Ordinance and Commandant of permanent forces in New Zealand)

03/04/1908 - ??		Captain T.S.N. Hardinge (Acting Command)

??        - 11/12/1908	Major W.H. Robinson (Posted to 95 Coy RGA)

11/12/1908 – 23/12/1908	Captain T.S.N Hardinge (Acting Command)

23/12/1908 – 01/01/1914	Major C.O. Smeaton

01/01/1914 – 10/05/1915	Major Fowler

10/05/1914 – 26/05/1917	Major J.A. Williams

26/05/1917 – 26/08/1917	Captain R.G. Bignall148 Commando (AO) Battery

26/08/1917 – 24/11/1917	Major F.J.N Smyth

24/11/1917 – 25/05/1918	Captain E.A.E Hall

29/05/1918 – 26/10/1918	Captain C.J. Buckland

26/10/1918 – 01/01/1919	Captain E.A.E. Hall

01/01/1919 – 01/01/1920	Lt Colonel N.E.B. Bellairs

01/01/1920 – 04/09/1920	Lt Colonel Corbett

04/09/1920 - oooooooooo	Major M.H.C. Bird

01/01/1939 – 01/08/1945	Major G.R. Johnston

01/08/1945 – 11/05/1946	Major G.F. Cane

11/05/1946 – 25/05/1946	Major G.C. Moody

25/05/1946 – 01/06/1946	Major W.H.S. Crackle

01/06/1946 – 17/08/1946	Major G.C. Moody

17/08/1946 – 01/04/1947	Major R.P.H. Walter

01/04/1947 – 01/01/1948	Major H.L.G. Livingston

06/05/1948 – 19/05/1948	Captain A. Clewes

19/05/1948 – 01/01/1949	Captain A. Howe

01/01/1948 – 27/07/1949	Captain A. Clewes

27/07/1949 – 01/09/1951	Major (Sir) H.F.C. Farrington

01/09/1951 – 31/08/1954	Major V. Womersley

31/08/1951 – 01/02/1955	Major O.R. Jenkins

01/02/1955 – 16/07/1955	Major D.O. Griffiths (Formerly the BK)

16/07/1955 – 17/04/1956	Major L.G. Wilkes

17/04/1955 – 04/05/1958	Major P.F. Palmer

04/05/1958 – 13/03/1960	Major K.D. Davidson M.C.

13/03/1960 – 20/12/1961	Major N.G. Scotter

20/12/1961 – 01/10/1963	Major D.R. Francis M.C.

01/10/1963 – 09/11/1964	Major M. Lochhead

09/11/1964 – 06/07/1965	Major K.R.H. Eve

06/07/1965 – 01/09/1966	Major J.M. Rogers

01/09/1966 – 01/07/1968	Major D.G. Anderson

01/07/1968 – 01/03/1970	Major R.A. Rodick

01/03/1970 – 01/04/1970	Major K.R.H. Eve

01/04/1970 – 01/05/1971	Major R.A. Preedy

Suspended Animation

10/1988	G Troop formed, under command of Captain M.G. Flannagan (formally of 20 Commando (AO) Battery).

01/09/1989 	Major R.P. Lungmuss tasked with reforming 20 Battery with Captain Flannagan.

01/04/1990	G Troop becomes part of resurrected 20 Battery under the command of.

01/04/1990 – 01/12/1991	Major R.P. Lungmuss

01/12/1991 – 07/02/1994	Major T. Marjot

07/02/1994 – 10/11/1996	Major N.C. Best

10/11/1996 – 01/2000	Major T. M. Wood

01/2000 – 03/2002	Major S. Atkinson

03/2002 – 06/2004	Major S. D. Fraser

07/2004 - 09/2005      Major M. R. Legh-Smith

09/2005 - 06/2006      Major M. J. Smith

06/2006 - 08/2008      Major P. J. Oxley

08/2008 - 07/2010      Major J. E. Mardlin

07/2010 - 08/2011.      "Major R. A. Wade"

08/2011 - 2013.       "Major T. R. Osman"

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