Talk:20th Century Studios/Archives/2021

Problem, 20th Century Fox and 20th Century Studios are two separate companies
It did appear that 20th Century Fox was renamed 20 Century Studios though it was still registered as Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation and I was thinking the registration was going to be changed to Twentieth Century Studios Film Corporation at a later date. However, a new entity was created using the 20th Century Studios name, registered as 20th Century Studios, Inc. The registration of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation has not changed. So now it appears that 20th Century Fox was not renamed to 20th Century Studios and instead do business under the 20th Century Studios name until Disney forms the actual 20th Century Studios company. So right now the 20th Century Studios name is being shared with 20th Century Fox (Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation) and the new entity being called 20th Century Studios (20th Century Studios, Inc.).

We can now establish the fact that 20th Century Studios, Inc. is 20th Century Studios and Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation is 20th Century Fox, 20th Century Fox was not renamed to 20th Century Studios, it just did business under that name until Disney formed a new company called 20th Century Studios. I suspect that Disney would eventually absorb 20th Century Fox into 20th Century Studios at a later date. Right now 20th Century Fox and 20th Century Studios are doing business under the 20th Century Studios name, 20th Century Fox is a subsidiary of 20th Century Studios until it gets absorbed into 20th Century Studios. Granthew (talk) 19:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Note: The films that were made before the name change of 20th Century Fox into 20th Century Studios but not released yet will still be under the Fox title. Sgqiagsjwgquwgsyyahwgq (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

To resolve this problem, these two separate legal company must merged to form Twentieth Century City Studios, LLC. with its trade name must restoring to its pre-merger with Fox Film Corporation name, 20th Century Pictures. AdhiOK (talk) 04:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


 * We follow reliable sources. You can make up facts like "it's a subsidiary of 20th Century Fox" or new fake companies like "Twentieth Century City Studios, LLC" or claiming the prior films will be released under "Fox", when we've all seen The Call of the Wild already using "20th Century Studios." As for the registration, having two different entries doesn't mean two different companies. A lot of times, the old name is kept active for copyrights reasons. They did the same thing when they renamed ABC, Inc. to Walt Disney Television, Inc. Likewise, ViacomCBS reuses the existing old Viacom legal entity while in reality, it is a new company and was in fact more of CBS acquiring Viacom. So, we don't follow those registrations blindly because they lack context. That's why we need reliable secondary sources, which confirm it's a rename. — Starforce13  13:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Two articles will solve it the same as Searchlight Pictures BLAZEGUY2007 (talk) 11:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's a good idea to make two different articles on what is still the same company just because the company's legal name or corporate form changed unless there is a compelling reason to do so. Aoi (青い) (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Or add more information that it's a subsidiary of 20th Century Fox since it is a subsidiary but both companies still have to be under the name 20th Century Studios. BLAZEGUY2007 (talk) 06:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Where does it say DBA anywhere? Where? Mikeyfaces (talk) 11:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1754301/000119312519003906/d624266dex991.htm

This is not DBA. This is a new entity. Mikeyfaces (talk) 11:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

“As a result of the mergers, Disney and 21CF will become direct, wholly owned subsidiaries of TWDC Holdco 613 Corp., a Delaware corporation and wholly owned subsidiary of Disney, which we refer to as New Disney, which will be renamed “The Walt Disney Company” concurrently with the mergers.””

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1754301/000119312519003906/d624266dex991.htm

“A wholly-owned/direct subsidiary, then another company owns 100 percent of its stock. Regardless of the percentage of ownership, a subsidiary must be a separate entity and not merely a division of a company operating under a separate name.“

https://www.upcounsel.com/indirect-subsidiary-definition Mikeyfaces (talk) 11:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Problem: Studios should get a new and separate article from Fox
20th Century Fox did not become 20th Century Studios. Fox was dissolved and the name and assets were assumed by a new entity named 20th Cebtury Studios.

Let’s split this and have two articles. One article for 20th Century Fox. One article for 20th Century Studios.

These are two separate companies. They are not the same entity. Mikeyfaces (talk) 11:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1754301/000119312519003906/d624266dex991.htm

New company. Mikeyfaces (talk) 11:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

“As a result of the mergers, Disney and 21CF will become direct, wholly owned subsidiaries of TWDC Holdco 613 Corp., a Delaware corporation and wholly owned subsidiary of Disney, which we refer to as New Disney, which will be renamed “The Walt Disney Company” concurrently with the mergers.””

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1754301/000119312519003906/d624266dex991.htm

“A wholly-owned/direct subsidiary, then another company owns 100 percent of its stock. Regardless of the percentage of ownership, a subsidiary must be a separate entity and not merely a division of a company operating under a separate name.“

https://www.upcounsel.com/indirect-subsidiary-definition Mikeyfaces (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Companies reincorporate from time to time or change forms. Disney started as a partnership then has at least four separate corporate forms. More or less they are the same business and it would be disjointed to halt business' article to split it after each change of form.
 * Fox Corporation has a separate article from 21st Century Fox as explained above. Spshu (talk) 15:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , there's no need to start a duplicate discussion when there's another active thread about the exact same question, that you're fully aware of and already commented on with basically the same comments. — Starforce13  17:01, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

20th Century Fox is still active, it hasn’t been absorbed into 20th Century Studios yet. Granthew (talk) 02:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Supposedly the company still calls itself "Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation" at the end of the credits for 2020 stuff. In addition, content copyrighted after January 2020 is still under that name as well. Orange Mo (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not true. The studio is now registered as "20th Century Studios, Inc". The "Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation" is not the movie studio, it's their umbrella copyright holder which is also used for 20th TV, 20th Century Fox TV etc, Searchlight. Likewise, a lot of existing Disney content uses "Disney Enterprises, Inc." for copyright but it doesn't represent any particular tv or film studio. — Starforce13  21:19, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Disney
20th Century Studios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gatitoamr1500 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021
Night at the museum is listed as 2006–2014 when it should be 2006-present KyriakosM2 (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌. Please provide a reliabke source to support your edit requests. MBihun (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Distribution
There's a user (or so I can guess by the long IP hopping accounts) who keeps changing the distributor to Disney for post-2019 movies and there's no claims to back it up.

What can we do? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2020
AidenR1234 (talk) 21:36, 5 December 2020 (UTC) Can someone change the company name to 20th Century Fox
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 22:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Why? That's not its name, it's 20th Television now. 20th Century Fox and 20th Century no longer exist.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2021
CEO & Chairman Stacy Snider =CEO James Gianopulos =CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER Jeff Dow =VICE PRESIDENT,USER AQCUISITION MARKETING David Mausolf =DIGITAL MARKETING PRODUCTION EXCECUTIVE Jonathan Tavss Mstarty (talk) 12:41, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Run n Fly (talk) 15:47, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Maybe this page needs to be decommissioned?
This page is kind of obsolete, as the company was changed to 20th Television, not 20th Century Studios (https://www.20thtv.com/account/login?ReturnUrl=%2f) and there is already a wiki page written for 20th Television (https://www.20thtv.com/account/login?ReturnUrl=%2f) So maybe it would be a good idea to transfer information from this page to the other seeing as this one is locked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:6B87:F00:79D8:BB47:1FDE:A052 (talk) 04:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * 20th Century Studios and 20th Television are separate entities so the factual premise for your comment is incorrect. Aoi (青い) (talk) 05:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

First trailer use of new logo
One could also mention the first trailer appearance of the new 20th Century Studios logo, which happened in the trailer for The Empty Man (2020). Other films were produced or released by 20th Century Studios before that, but it seems the new owners still accidentally used the old 20th Century Fox logo on trailers and actual releases by accident, up until the trailer for The Empty Man. In fact, even theatrical copies of the film The Empty Man itself still carried the old 20th Century Fox logo animation. --2003:EF:170B:F931:E017:C7B7:B1BC:400B (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The logo went into effect immediately, but obviously, previously produced trailers and distributed copies of the film would retain the original logo. Unless you have notable coverage by reliable sources about brand new trailers using the old logo by accident. — Starforce13  14:36, 21 June 2021 (UTC)