Talk:22nd century/Archive 2

Encyclopedic?
Is there any possibility of encyclopedic content here for the next 80-90 years or so ? If not, we should probably delete it (along with the 23rd century page) for now. Idle speculation is not encyclopedia content. --Robert Merkel

Sounds good to me... make sure to snip out the links to it and the other far-future centuries on other pages. --|Ashibaka

I object. There are future years with valid information on them, such as when the next eclipse is to occur, and such. -- Zoe

I object as well. I like the eclipse data and so on, and the sci-fi stuff is interesting to me as well. (Like the war that was beginning in AD 2101 - it's what led me here in the first place.) --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 21:12, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

As do I, for the reasons listed above. --YixilTesiphon

As do I, people might have great fun reading this in the future. 88.159.74.89 (talk) 13:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree With user ip 88.159.74.89. im currently looking to Find a wikipedia Artical that details Science fiction Events like this page for the years from 2000 to 2030 becasue as we move though this time period alot of this information i cant find on Wikipedia and i agree with you i would get a kick out of reading it like i do this 22nd century artical. id enjoy reading about back to the future or even blade runner chronology and seeing them all lumped together like this in one place for general comparison. 76.244.151.164 (talk) 02:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Kardashev Scale And type I Civilization
I see its not up there on the list of things, yet is refrenced to in the Wikipedia page on the Kardashev Scale. Should it be? Thanks.

Ultraviolet and Infrared
Go to the talk pages at Ultraviolet and Infrared and it should say something that we human being should think of a way to find by the time 2100 starts.

An interesting theory
Jesus will return to Earth. I doubt, but astronomers know better! This can't be right? Or could it? --Dungodung 18:57, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * And they'll be serving snowcones in hell.--WaltCip 02:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

We Get Signal
Please stop removing the information regarding the war beginning in 2101. This is important information. 153.104.16.114 14:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Just excuse them, I guess. In the future such removals will be more frequent as less and less people learn about Zero Wing and the AYBABTU fad. --Aeon17x 13:16, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Redirected articles
2160s and 2130s now redirect here; after their failed AFD, I took the editorial decision to redirect. If there's any content more knowledgeable editors think can be salvaged, the page history is always there. Johnleemk | Talk 09:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Major Anniversaries
Before I go and delete everything, let me first propose it. The Indian Indepence is going to get 100 years older every century - the fact that it's going to be 200 years old doesn't make the 22nd century special. I'd say only 100/250/500/750/etc are significant. So I propose to remove everyhing from the list except the WTC attacks (100 years) and the birth of Bach (500). What do you think? --Leo44 (talk) 11:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I was bold and did it. --Leo44 (talk)

Frankly everything will have an anniversary which is a multiple of 100 during this century. Including any anniversary less than about 500 is really pointless, and probably the whole section. DJ Clayworth 16:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

2150
The redirect for the link 2150 refers to a work of fiction and not the year 2150, how do you go about changing that? i know that there is no page for the year 2150 as of such but was still wondering if that should be changed Lamuk69 (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Coheed and Cambria
I would note that "21:13" by Coheed and Cambria refers to a time as opposed to a year (ie 9:13 in 12 hour clock).

2130
At year 2130, the Sun will pass through solar-system barycenter, according to DE405 ephemerides by JPL, at euclidean distance of 15.6Mm. This event is not much frequent, but rather important, so I mentioned it here...

This result may get just any amateur now, with wiki, computer and other publicly available informations... The time of United inteligence comes (onto 2030)...

Semi Psi, 24May2006

Global warming
I have to say that by the 22nd century the temperature on Earth will be partly warmer in most parts than it is today.Will this mean that there will be a new recorded high temperature for Earth? Joseandricardo, 18:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it might and also New Orleans might be under water

2121
Phil and his family from Phil of the Future is from year 2121.lol--Always Gotta Keep it Real, Cute 1 4 u  07:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

4 May 2102: There is a slight possibility that the asteroid 2004 VD17 will impact Earth

now that kind of scares me for i think its the biggest 1 so,WE'RE ALL GONNA BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!!!!!

Individual Years
I've put up the disputed tag because I think each year in this century, and for that matter, all centuries, are inherently notable. This morning someone else disagreed with this, and I wanted to come here to the talk page of this century where I began to remove redirects to the century as a whole for indvidual years yesterday. Hopefully we can gain a consensus in one way or another rather than have an edit war off the talk page. Just H 14:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think any individual year, beyond the 21st century, can be notable enough to have a page of its own. The most distant year to have a page of its own is 2065 and I think that's far enough for now. What information beyond anniversaries and fictional and astronomical events (all of which are on the century's page anyway) can be put on these suggested pages?
 * This is the wrong place for this discussion. Removing disputed tag.  Perhaps Manual of Style (dates and numbers)?  &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've moved the discussion to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers), it should be continued there. Philip Stevens 15:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Phillip. Just H 18:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

-- There are many links on the page linking to specific years in the 2100s and that simply revert back to the same page. Should someone take that out? Orijok 23:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Global Cooling
Will global cooling also occur in the 22nd century? It could happen, if we more than stop global warming for the remainder of the 21st century. Then the world will grow cooler. If we do get global cooling in the 22nd century, is it known yet when it will occur? 75.10.106.254, 02:55 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Population Decline??!!
Could there be a population decline in the 22nd century? We could, because the world's population is projected to fall between 2050 and 2300, but it's supposed to increase slowly first. If we get underpopulation by the second half of the 22nd century, most likely, the world's population may decline from 11 billion to 9 billion. 75.10.106.254, 02:58 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Unless there are changes to future birthrates and medical/scientific advances and/or discoveries, this could be correct. 207.214.192.12, 00:47 2 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.114.192.12 (talk)

The band 22nd Century????
Why do additions of the Canadian Punk band 22nd Century get deleted? According to Wikipedia's music policy, the band has met several key criteria. Is there a process out there that has to be fulfilled?

musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:

1. Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.[note 1] o Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] o Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. o Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar) would generally be considered trivial but should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
 * This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following:


 * 22nd Century has over 15 articles published in notable press in 2009 alone.

2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.


 * 22nd Century is currently charting at #4 in the UK on at least one rock chart.

3. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country. 4. Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
 * 22nd Century has received over 5,000,000 downloads worldwide
 * 22nd Century has recently placed in LA (different country that Canada) headlining to a sold out show of 4000 people.

5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

6. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.


 * 22nd Century has both Duane Chaos and Zippy Pinhead who are noted in other wikipedia articles and are definitely notable.

7. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.

9. Has won or placed in a major music competition.


 * 22nd Century was awarded an honorable mention in the 2009 Billboard Songwriting contest.

10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)


 * 22nd Century has recently signed for RNR Radios second compilation CD of a series. The last one sold over 75,000 copies.  Due out in 2010.

11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.


 * 22nd Century is played on over 65 radio stations worldwide

12. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.


 * 22nd Century has had a few of these in 2009

please do not delete it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.184.171 (talk) 23:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Regardless of any of the above (which I did not read per WP:TLDR), a band named "22nd Century" does not belong in this article any more than a band named "1888" belongs in the 1888 article. The band is a real thing that really occurs in the real 21st Century (that would be now, in case there is any confusion about the temporal thingy, I've certainly wondered what century I was living in from time to time).  Regardless of its name, it cannot go here because of when it occurs.  It is Off Topic to the article because it does not occur at the time of which this article is the subject.  We're talking about a time here in this article, not things named after that time.


 * This article is for things that occur in the 22nd Century, both factual and fictional. This band does not do either of those things.  You can assert, for the sake of argument, that it will do that, but a whole lot of editors will jump on that per Wikipedia policy WP:CRYSTAL.


 * Try reading the whole article as an editor of Wikipedia, rather than with a particular bias for a particular subject. You'll get the idea of what things belong here.


 * The problem here in this article is not notability. It is topicality.  &mdash;Aladdin Sane (talk) 06:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If the band is notable, perhaps meeting the qualifications of WP:BAND (for which I don't see any evidence of the above, but see WP:TLDR)), a new article 22nd Century (band) could be created, and a hat note added to this article in case someone looking for the band were directed here.
 * A quick scan seems to indicate you're conflating "certified downloads" with "purchase", for the purpose of the "Gold record" "radio station" for "(major) national network", and playing in venues in two countries as an "international concert tour". — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 17:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Arthur: That would be acceptable. The largest issue has been that many fans find themselves on this page with no link to disambiguate the band from the century. As an ontologist I can appreciate the purity of which Wikipedia strives to adhere to but also must note than 99% of the world simply punches in "22nd Century" in a search engine and finds themselves on Wikipedia's page. Since the band is named after the century, I would argue a connection and hence relevancy. At the very least, the band named themselves for the topic upon which this page is based (at least according to interviews). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.184.171 (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Granted. There is a disambiguation problem with the encyclopedia with reference to "22nd Century".  Past precedents have to be looked at to figure out how to fix it.  Personally, I think a disambiguation page is needed here.  &mdash;Aladdin Sane (talk) 20:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

September 24, 2114
Planatary alignment of Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, happens on the Vernal Equinox. I don't update pages as dont want to screw up the 'wiki style'. Reference can be seen here... http://www.astroviewer.com/interactive-night-sky-map.php Bazzledorf (talk) 15:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)