Talk:24K Magic (album)

Requested move 13 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. I don't deny that the album has gotten hype, but the song has also made quite an impact, and it's too soon to determine a primary topic when the album hasn't even been released yet. No prejudice against a future RM after the album is released, though I'd wait at least several months before doing so. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

24K Magic (album) → 24K Magic – The rationale is simple. Whoever sees the album article, has access to all the songs o the album. But, when we keep the disambiguation (which is not necessary as the album page links to the song article, just like the disambig links to both articles.) We are making things easy for the reader by keeping this page on the suggested title. This is the parent album which covers the song too. It is the only other topic with this name. Similar to Can't Be Tamed, etc. MaranoFan (talk) 09:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC) --'Even if the nominator is opposing his own move, it attracted enough attention for this. Relisting to obtain a clearer consensus (if there is one)' ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 05:29, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose → No indication that the album is the primary topic over the song. Similar to Thriller (Michael Jackson album), Thriller (song) and Starboy (album), Starboy (song); many more examples available on wikipedia. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONCEPTDAB and WP:TWODABS. Unlike the "Thriller" and "Starboy" examples, the only two topics on Wikipedia called "24K Magic" are Bruno Mars-related, so, as readers are going to be looking for one or the other, either choice fits the undisambiguated name. I believe it's best to point to the album as per WP:CONCEPTDAB, as it contains info about the song, while the song's article will not contain info about the album. As I said before, both topics are Bruno Mars related, so, since neither choice will astonish readers, keeping this as a DAB page is of no benefit. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thriller and Starboy aren't great examples. Like a Prayer is. Only the Madonna song and album have articles with this name; yet there is no primary topic. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 18:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support — It would make more sense to name the album article just 24K Magic. No other article shares this title and it's likely going to be more notable than the title track. Aria1561 (talk) 16:16, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The song is a current chart hit; the album has yet to be released. Per Like a Virgin, Like a Prayer, Born This Way, and others. Revisit this in a year if either the song or album shows significantly more popularity than the other. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 18:38, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose the world won't end if we let readers choose themselves rather than deciding which article they should download by mistake. WP:TWODABS allows exactly this situation to save download time. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with what MarioSoulTruthFan said. Musicedit98 (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So since the nominator re-drawn the intention I guess we have reached a consensuses. Can someone close this discussion? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Two others have supported this RM so I think an early close would be inappropriate. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 23:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support If you need a reminder of just how big of a deal new Bruno Mars music is, you can go back and look at the commercial performance of his previous albums. This argument seems to strictly boil down to bias on both sides, but at least the side that supports have the numbers to back it up.  It's a pretty simple fix, name the page for the album "24K Magic" and put a redirect option at the top of the album page for those looking for the single page.  Cheetoburrito (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what your point is, since both articles in question pertain to Bruno Mars music. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 21:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:TWODABS. Hatnote to the song. SST  flyer  10:49, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * TWODABS requires a primary topic. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 21:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Chase's rationale. — I B  [ Poke ] 15:19, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - album's defeinitely bigger than the song. Unreal7 (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The album isn't even out yet. WP:CRYSTAL. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 21:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose - per MarioSoulTruthFan. Also, at the moment 24K Magic (song) could be considered bigger than the album at the moment because it's charted, while 24K Magic (album) has yet to chart/release. Too soon to call, maybe? —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 01:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - per SSTflyer Yoshiman6464 (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - similar to Speak Now and Speak Now (song). -Nahnah4 09:28, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Poor example. The Speak Now album has sold millions of copies and the song wasn't released as a single and isn't well-known. There's a clear primary topic. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 21:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


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Alt title?
Should the lead somehow note the stylization XXIV Magic per the album's cover art? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It should you can add it if you want. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)


 * No. "Stylization" notes are to point out when an album is released and promoted with a different title than Wikipedia deems printworthy (i.e. ARTPOP or /\/\/\Y/\). Our job isn't to mimic the product packaging. Readers have eyes. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 22:07, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * But I'm thinking about this more from a redirect perspective. If someone is looking at the album cover, they may be inclined to type "XXIV Magic" here at Wikipedia in order to find information about the album. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Then make a redirect for XXIVk Magic? That's not the actual name of the album, though, nor is it officially promoted as such. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 03:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Uptown Special is in the same situation, I agree with Another Believer on this one. Only stylized would be enough. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * But in this case its not stylization per say? 24 and XXIV both are two sides of a coin. — I B  [ Poke ] 18:30, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

The Smeezingtons and Shampoo Press & Curl
http://genius.com/a/who-is-bruno-mars-mystery-producer-shampoo-press-curl I think that something about it should be written to avoid misunderstandings. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.52.203 (talk) 10:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been looking for something like that for a long time. But I wonder how reliable is that source? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:22, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I have no clue if this is reliable unfortunatelly... I was just curious who shampoo press & curl is and bumped into this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.47.48 (talk) 23:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The writer seems legit since he has writer for other publications such as XXL and Complex (not the best because it takes stuff from other articles yet...). However I'm not 100% sure regarding its reliability, I would like a more experienced user to help out with this. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 24K Magic (album)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 24K Magic (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "RIAA": From Cardi B discography:  From David Guetta discography:  <li>From Music download: </li> <li>From List of music recording certifications: </li> <li>From T-Pain discography: </li> <li>From Bruno Mars discography: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 28 January 2019
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 03:37, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

– The Thank U Next RM reminded me of this page, and the above RM from before the album even came out. Now that the dust has settled, the album appears to be the easy primary topic. It's established long-term notability by winning the Album of the Year Grammy (among others), has been certified triple platinum, and outstrips the song's pageviews easily - 73% of all "24K Magic" hits are for the album. With how many "oppose" votes above were based on "the album hasn't even come out yet", this is worth a second look. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★Chat -- 12:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * 24K Magic (album) → 24K Magic
 * 24K Magic → 24K Magic (disambiguation)

Oppose. The single has also won a Grammy and has been certified five times platinum by RIAA, that's no argument. A page having more views mean nothing, the same could be argued for MJ's Thriller song and album. Sure the difference is not that big but I'm sure once the "dust has settled" the difference won't be as massive as of right now. |Thriller_(Michael_Jackson_album). MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thriller is not a very convincing argument, it would probably be the primary topic if Thriller (genre) did not exist, unlike 24k magic which has no other non Bruno Mars topic.Nohomersryan (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Starboy (album) and Starboy (song) will convince you, since its the same case. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


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