Talk:25 (Adele album)/Archive 1

Draft (no longer needed... deleted or history merge?)
Draft:25 (Adele album) is no longer needed. Can someone please delete the page or complete a history merge? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Redirects
I created song redirects, which can be expanded when appropriate:


 * Hello (Adele song) ✅
 * Send My Love (To Your New Lover)‎ ✅, charted on the Billboard Hot 100
 * I Miss You (Adele song)‎
 * When We Were Young (Adele song) ✅
 * Remedy (Adele song)‎, charted on the Billboard Hot 100 and in France, Germany, and Switzerland ✅
 * Water Under the Bridge (song)‎ ✅, charted on the Billboard Hot 100 and in France and Germany
 * River Lea (song), charted in France and Germany ✅
 * Love in the Dark (song), charted in France and Germany
 * Million Years Ago (song) ✅, charted in Belgium, France, and Germany
 * All I Ask (Adele song) ✅, charted in France
 * Sweetest Devotion‎, charted in France

Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Send My Love (To Your New Lover)" has been redirected. See Talk:Send My Love (To Your New Lover) to participate in an ongoing discussion re: notability. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Second single
Adele confirmed during theBBC special that her second single would be When We Were Young.

http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a677027/adeles-next-single-will-apparently-be-when-we-were-young/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.151.174.83 (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently, not confirmed. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 18:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Why is When We Were Young not an article yet? Too slow, Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.147.214 (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC) Another day later and still no article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.184.160 (talk) 03:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: There is now an article for the song. It has not been confirmed as a single but has charted in many countries. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring
Stop your edit war immediately and discuss the changes you want to make. Don't disrupt to prove a point. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Album credits
http://www.discogs.com/Adele-25/release/7748058 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.198.251.109 (talk) 22:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Image of Greg Kurstin
I replaced the image of Madonna with one of Greg Kurstin, who actually worked on the album, but my edit was reverted. Can we discuss who would be more appropriate to illustrate, or find a way to include both? It makes more sense to picture people who worked on the album, not those who inspired the album. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: I re-added an image of Kurstin, then staggered the Madonna image to display below. Works for me, unless others still want to discuss which is more appropriate if two is too many. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My edit summary says it. If Greg Kurstin then why not the others? — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 23:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Why not who others? I'd be fine with including additional images of people who worked on the album. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Ratings
If we get ratings from Rolling Stone, Spin, and AllMusic, then PopMatters, Paste, and Slant Magazine get removed, do you all agree? Please, lets come up with some consensus what ratings are taken.The Cross Bearer (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Record
On top of breaking the NSYNC record for most album sales in one week, the page should mention that she also broke the Britney Spears record of highest first week sales by a female artist (Spears held the record with Oops I Did It Again in 2000). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.59.106.25 (talk) 19:08, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

It did not take a week, it took closer to just three days of the sales week to surpass 'N Sync's record. http://search.proquest.com.ezproxy3.library.arizona.edu/docview/1737419918/fulltext/BB1284A8DE5D4594PQ/58?accountid=8360 (Abbisabel (talk) 08:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC))
 * That reference is behind a Pro Quest paywall restricted by the University of Arizona. Do you have one that is accessible link? Karst (talk) 11:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Credits
I have went to a great length to type up the whole credits and everything right here in my sandbox, for someone to greatly utilize.The Cross Bearer (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I added the written by and produced by to each song.The Cross Bearer (talk) 14:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Why is Ryan Tedder's pic here?
Did he do something profound? Is he important? Is he relevant? 2601:40A:4000:8BCD:4906:E3DA:6524:A97F (talk) 05:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently he is more relevant than you. Why do you ask such non-sense questions? Read the caption under picture and you will see why his picture is here! — Tom (T2ME) 11:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Canada Sales
https://twitter.com/erintainment/status/670993029734522880

no 1 306 k
 * Unreliable source won't be used. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 14:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

1.000.000 http://www.fyimusicnews.ca/articles/2016/04/27/adeles-25-has-now-sold-1m-copies-canada — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.106.206.76 (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Argentina
❌

Hello! 25 debuted at No. 1 in Argentina (http://www.diariodecultura.com.ar/rankings/los-discos-mas-vendidos-14/) and it went Gold (20,000 copies)

Best albums of 2015
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/50-best-albums-of-2015-20151201/adele-25-20151130

Germany
25's 2x platinum certification in Germany is still missing source. Please be quicker when it comes to adding facts or make the site public for edits again! Thanks... --213.157.11.157 (talk) 13:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Where the album was written
Reading this article, you'd think most of the album was written in the US. In an interview with Shad, and talking about the writing process, Adele said 'I'd done the whole record in England, pretty much'. Can we somehow get this into the page so it reflects what actually happened, ie the vast majority was written in the UK?

Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZr646gOAwQ, from 12:20 onwards.

chart fact
"Adele breaks UK record for biggest second week album sales" http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/adele-breaks-uk-record-for-biggest-second-week-album-sales/063579 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.198.251.109 (talk) 19:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC) According to this source http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6785931/adele-25-second-week-sales-us ''The final sales figures are in for the second week of Adele’s 25. Nielsen Music reports that it sold 1.11 million in pure album sales in the seven days ending Dec. 3 in the U.S. As earlier reported, 25 is now the first album to sell a million copies in two different weeks since Nielsen began tracking point-of-sale purchases in 1991.'', so we need to change US'figure to 4,490,000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.87.216.31 (talk) 02:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

BPI record reference doesn't work
Ref #179: "British album certifications – Adele – 25'. British Phonographic Industry. Retrieved 4 December 2015. Enter 25 in the field Keywords. Select Title in the field Search by. Select album in the field By Format. Select Platinum in the field By Award. Click Search"

I go to http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards/search.aspx and tried the instruction above. It's said "Please use standard letters and characters only. You must supply at least 3 characters in your search". How am I supposed to find the record of 25?--fireattack (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Remedy sample
I believe that it is acceptable to use the sample of an album track. I have added lots of composition details, reception details, etc. The sample should not be removed without further discussion here. --MaranoFan (talk) 11:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It is unacceptable since we should limit ourselves to usage of non-free content. Please familiarize yourself with WP:NFCC and not go overboard. You have already added samples for "Hello" and "WWWY" and thats enough to understand nuances about the songs on this album. You don't need a third sample. I'm also inviting for this discussion. — Indian: BIO   [ ChitChat  ] 11:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I make a suggestion? First of all, yes, I agree with IndianBio, having three samples in the article it's too much and fails the criteria. However, I read the caption for "Remedy" sample and it's pretty rational. I would suggest removing the "Hello" sample since it's not really helpful in the 25 article and it is also present in its own article. That's the best option according to me. — Tom (T2ME) 13:21, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am actually okay with Tom's suggestion. Even though I do think all of the three samples have merit in this very article, I think that the removal of the "Hello" sample from here would be the least detrimental to the reader, of the three. --MaranoFan (talk) 14:05, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And I have temporarily removed the "Hello" sample, so that we don't have to display the "non-free" tag. When consensus is established, action can be taken accordingly. --MaranoFan (talk) 14:28, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I believe its better now. I would say still wait for Milburn to take a look into the article once. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 16:21, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2015
The CD liner credits the following engineering staff on "Remedy". Mike Piersante & Rich Ric, assisted by Martin Hollis & John Prestage. These four individuals are missing from the current page.

92.24.45.231 (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kharkiv07  ( T ) 09:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Belgium
The album reached 7x platinum in Belgium source. To be added fast please! --94.16.72.108 (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Adele proposal
✅

Just a reminder that there is an ongoing discussion regarding the potential creation of WikiProject Adele. All comments are welcome and appreciated! MaranoFan (talk) 11:56, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Netherlands
25 reached 8x platinum in the Netherlands. source.--94.16.70.53 (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Certifications has to come from the NVPI not random news agencies. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 17:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2016
Adele plays in a league of its own. In the fifth week at retail '25' moved another unbelievable 2,505,000 copies, the second best result after its initial week. In the United States the album sold 1,16 million last week, in United Kingdom 449,900, in France 182,300, in Germany estimated 160,000, in Canada 152,800, and in Australia 91,100. Till to the deadline for this week's hitlist (December 24), '25' sold a total of stellar 14,232,000 copies so far, the superior winner on the Year-End Chart 2015!

http://mediatraffic.de/

80.194.11.101 (talk) 19:54, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Not done. Unreliable source. Btljs (talk) 21:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

certications
not all the certifications are in accordance to the actual sales/shipment.
 * Elaborate. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 01:07, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Deletion discussions
You are invited to participate in discussions regarding the deletion of "Million Years Ago", "Send My Love (To Your New Lover)", and "River Lea": Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Million Years Ago (song)
 * Articles for deletion/Send My Love (To Your New Lover)
 * Articles for deletion/River Lea (song)

Ireland
Please add that 25 was 2015's best-selling album in Ireland source! --94.16.64.102 (talk) 01:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. — I B  [ Poke  ] 09:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Was WWWY ever released in the US?
It was never serviced to US radio or have a standalone iTunes release. The source we use for radio is Italian and the ones for digital sales aren't from the US either. Since she didn't even perform it at the Grammys, nor did it receive a music video, it would seem that it was never promoted as a single (at least in the US). I think that should be mentioned, no?--MaranoFan (talk) 10:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It was added to the radios, I got an e-mail from All Access. FMQB also had it listed though I don't know if their url was ever archived. — I B  [ Poke  ] 11:33, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Austria
Please add that 25 reached 3x platinum in Austria! source --94.16.73.122 (talk) 13:04, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 05:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2016
In Adele's Album 25, her second single "When we Were Young" is said to have peaked at 22 on the Billboard Hot 100. In fact, after her GRAMMY performance, she received a sales bump, which drove her up to 14 on the charts.

Jschuler1010 (talk) 04:23, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ --MaranoFan (talk) 11:07, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Switzerland
Please note that, at the time of 25's release, platinum = 20k in Switzerland, not 30k! Please alter that! --94.16.91.36 (talk) 20:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ Source? — I B  [ Poke  ] 09:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Canada
Please update 25's sales in Canada. Currently she surpassed the 1,000,000 copies treshold according to the following sources. http://www.fyimusicnews.ca/articles/2016/04/27/adeles-25-has-now-sold-1m-copies-canada https://twitter.com/chartnews/status/725487794940993536?lang=en [User:ck|ck] ([User talk:ck|talk]]) 01:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:D04:A900:D862:8997:7EF5:ADB3 (talk)

Studio album chronology – necessary or not?
Is Adele studio album chronology ”completely unnecessary”, as user IndianBio describes? He reverted my edit. Check for example Lemonade (Beyoncé album). --Cary (talk) 11:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary, we maintain a general singular chronology for all the artists. And frankly adding a studio album chronology for Lemonade is same. The template at the bottom of the album pages all have the studio labums listed, so no need of adding a separate chronology and elongating the infobox. — I B  [ Poke  ] 13:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you for clarifying. --Cary (talk) 15:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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Flanders
Please add that 25 reached No. 14 in Flanders's year end chart of 2017 source! --2A02:B98:4732:2FD0:D188:FE02:12D0:C8D1 (talk) 23:56, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thank you for this. Good work.  City O f  Silver  01:08, 21 December 2017 (UTC)