Talk:27th G8 summit

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This article needed to have precisely the same WP:RS and WP:NPOV violations removed as the Carlo Giuliani article. I've said it before and I'll say it again: RTFM!!! In this case, RTF WP:RS!!! Indymedia, the Giuliani memorial site, and that German anarchist blog are all UNACCEPTABLE SOURCES under WP:RS. If you can't cite your facts using non-biased sources, then you don't get to put them in the article. Period.


 * Using the IndyMedia site is no worse than using Wikipedia as a source for writing an article elsewhere. The Giuliani memorial site and the German anarchist blog I'll give you though. There's no reason to use them as sources. But IndyMedia is a publishing source, some IndyMedia cooperatives have put out what is recognizable as solid journalism. I don't see any need to a priori exclude the IndyMedia source.


 * It would also be useful to reconcile the differences between this article and the Giuliani article. There are irreconcilable differences in how they describe the trial of the officer - for example, this article says it was ruled self-defense, the other says it was thrown out before such a ruling could be made on grounds that the officer was not directly firing at Giuliani. Orpheus42 05:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I encourage people to add their own legitimate source material in order to improve this article further. Bullzeye 08:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

This article claims to be about the summit, but nothing of the substance of the summit is mentioned. The article might as well have been written by a protester, since that's all it talks about, including the vague but ominous "leading some to talk of..." weasel words.


 * Agreed, totally, about the need for actual summit-related info in the article. If I had any I'd make a substantial edit. As it is, I'm taking out a statement to the effect of "this is definitely not good" about the fact that there are officers under investigation. I don't know what that's doing there, and I'm certain it doesn't belong. Orpheus42 05:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't really seem NPOV. Also i don't think there needs to be a link to the sept 11 attacks, as they don't seem to be related to the G8 summit. From the article:


 * Fears of terrorist attack at the time had led to an air exclusion zone around the city, as well as the stationing of anti-aircraft missiles. In the event the feared attack took place in the United States on September 11.

-3mta3 30 June 2005 08:07 (UTC)

the us 9/11 commission report as well as other intelligence sources speak of possible attacks in genoa that did not occur due to unexpected massive security which then turned out into the actual 9/11 attacks. bye

Removed some stuff
Activist Susanne Bendotti was struck by a vehicle and killed while attempting to cross the French-Italian border at Ventimiglia to get to the Genoa demonstration.

Genoa demonstrator and labor unionist Maria Jose Olivastri was found naked and strangled in Padua shortly after the summit. Her death was not found to be politically motivated.

Genoa demonstrator Edoardo Parodi, a close friend of Carlo Giuliani, died after Genoa after experiencing severe health problems possibly related to the police use of CS gas during the event, or possibly related to the use of CS gas during the demonstration against the World Economic Forum which he also attended.

Rumors of further deaths and Genoa demonstrators who remain missing after the summit continue to circulate.

With all due sympathies to the friends and families, I don't think that this belongs in the article. None of these people are notable on their own, and their deaths seem to be fairly unrelated to the summit itself (with possible exception of Parodi, but there needs to be a cite from a RS [such as the coroner's report] which connects his [unspecified] health problems and death to the use of CS gas.). This makes that section fairly small, but more info can be provided about Giuliani since his death was extensively covered by the media and I think is quite relevant to the protests. Mkultra72 14:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

an addition
This article needs a rw or should be changed to

27th G8 Summit Protests, as the article only mentions the protesting, nothing about the summit itself except for a couple lines..

I have added an external link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4337486.stm G8 summit police lied, says report) to this page because i think it is an unbiased view into a very relevant subject: the Diaz raid. anyone disagree?

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EU participation
There is a slow-motion edit war about one aspect of 27th G8 summit.

Beginning with the 3rd G7 summit in London in 1977, the President of the European Commission or his successor President of the European Union has been a formal participant in successive annual events -- see  In each article about G7/G8 summits, Lucie-Marie has deleted text about EU participation. These serial reverts ignored hyperlinks in the supporting inline citations which were also deleted. Despite attempts to engage discussion here, no consensus has been achieved. Her opinions here have merit, but they remain only opinions. No cited source supports these reverts. Our core policies require something different. WP:V seems relevant because "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth &mdash; whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."


 * Group of Seven or G7+1


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A slow-motion edit war is worrisome; but discussion can be constructive -- see Muskoka 2010: G8 members

The edit history of 36th G8 summit records an unhelpful pattern:
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The same pattern is seen at 37th G8 summit:
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This thread may help resolve the issues, or it may help bring clearer focus. --Tenmei (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Balanced Account of Police Violence
Comparing the English and the much more detailed German Article shows a very strong difference between both. The English Article is very unbalanced and needs complete renewal, possibly in a separate section for the protests.

1. The English Article is not up to date. Neither the latest film "Black Block" (from Brachschmidt) is mentioned nor the results of the many law suits againts police officers and officals.

2. More unsettling is the tendency of the article. There is an undertone of blaming all demonstrators for the violence commited by the black block. Information which is well documented is completely missing. Sources are:

a) several Italian courts and valid court decisions b) Amnesty International c) several Documentaries d) dozends of witnesses e) dozends of videos on youtube

The missing information compared to the German article and the above sources are:

a) The pure scale of police violence. Amnesty spoke of the "largest suspension of human rights in Europe after world war II" source: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/international/justiz-in-italien-fassungslos-nach-freispruch/1377650.html

b) the fact, that the Black Block rioted separated from the main demonstrations. That huge police forces stood passively close by, not intefering.

c) futhermore, the fact that several video footages show, participants of the Black Block crossed the police lines and talked to policemen. There is plenty of evidence for the claim, that the black block consisted of agent provocateurs.

d) the extreme violence in the nightly police raid on the Diaz-School is not even properly mentioned. People there were "seriously injured" while sleeping. That is a strong difference to simply comparing "injured" policeman and injured demonstrators as done in the present article.

e) that evidence like petrol bombs was faked by police officers, producing fake juridical evidence to justify police violence. This was a point stated by an Italian Court. This is not based on an article in Indymedia!

f) that police officials and high ranking members of the ultra right wing party Allianza Nationale are reported to have been singing fascist songs from the musolini era and cheered to the news of the killing of one demonstrant. source: German Documentary "Gipfelstuermer, die blutigen Tage von Genua" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9H731Xt_04

That might all sound excacerbated and artificially scandalising. However, if you watch one of the documentaries and see the video footage yourself, or read the documentation of one of the many law suits against police officials, you find all mentioned violations true. Remember, Amnesty International called this a "suspension of human rights". This cannot be subsummed under the "usual" G8 summit violence. This was a very unusal summit an a black day for Democracy. Wikipedia should protray it as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rikuti (talk • contribs) 20:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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