Talk:2C-I

conflict of interest?
Should there really be a link to [link removed] on this page? Linking to a site that sells research chemicals doesn't seem like something that would normally be done around here.

i agree, and since the page added little information, i deleted it. Cain 3 July 2005 04:06 (UTC)

copyright infringement?
I noticed that this article is almost identical to this page. The URL includes 'wiki' in it, but the bottom of the page says that content is copyrighted. Does anyone know if that webpage's content is usable? Lachatdelarue (talk) 03:40, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think its a strange mirror . . . you can click on all the links in the article and it takes you to the equivalent wikipedia page; I clicked on United States, for instance, and it's the same article, down to the pics and infobox and everything else . . .  --Heah 08:49, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, we'll assume it's a mirror then. Works for me, just wanted to make sure we weren't about to get sued :) Lachatdelarue (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Legality
Can someone provide references to it actually being made illegal in other European countries?

Just FYI the federal analog act requires the drug be intended for human consumption in order to be subject to this law. I have added a small statement mentioning this. Cloaked Dagger 16:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Cases
"A series of court cases in the US involving the prosecution of several online vendors is ongoing as of 2004."

Can someone provide any information on the ongoing case[s] they are referring to or others currently pending? --eXitwoundgaming

There has been at least one ruling in these cases in which the judge determined the burden of proof of human consumption was on the DEA. This has led to a case against a vendor being dismissed. Also, some of the vendors are serving some serious jail time. Giantpiemaster 16:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The March 17, 2011 deaths stated involving 2C-I is incorrect. The drug was 2C-E it has been identified, and this needs to be reflected. A reference verifying this was removed, so can someone who won't get their revisions deleted please add this factual information to wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.146.229 (talk) 03:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Street Names
I work in an ER and recently I had a semi-concious patient arrive who ingested GHB with alcohol and something he was told was called "Starbursts". Poison Control did not recognize this street name, but after some research online I found one or two sites associating this name with 2C-I. Have you heard of this street name in association with 2C-I or is this something else? rmosler 03:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Some Names: White Power, Tripstacy, Super Cool, Crunch, Drek, Phen

Thyroid

 * There have been reports of possible toxicity and dangers in those suffering from hyperthyroidism. Anyone suffering from hyperthyroidism or any other related disease should take caution when using 2C-I.[citation needed]

Where are these reports from? I think there is one such report on erowid, but it refers to an interaction with some sort of hyperthyroidism drug, I believe. This should be referenced. It is important to record interactions (even though it is questionable whether Wikipedia is the place to do it), but without references this is likely to degenerate into the seeding of the kind of rumors that naturally plague this topic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.109.198.99 (talk • contribs).

A quick Google search for 2ci + thyroid yields only the erowid report, which is a single account with some rationalization by the user, who has no medical background. It's much closer to hearsay than actual research, and I think the section should be deleted.

citations anyone?
"2C-I is always taken orally, although it can also be insufflated, smoked, or administered rectally as well (though as with all phenethylamines of the 2C class, 2C-I is incredibly painful upon insufflation) your face will most likely turn very red and you will feel like you are dying."

So your face will turn red and you will feel like you're going to die(subjective,wtf?!) when taking this??

No when you insuffalate 2c-i you're face may turn red and it will burn, not recommended.

"User reports have said that 2C-I may produce flashbacks in the weeks following its use. These flashbacks can last anywhere between seconds and hours, and manifest as a return of the hallucinogenic effects of the drug. Some users report being able to trigger the flashbacks at will. Note however that these flashbacks do not occur in the majority, but have simply been observed in a selection of users."

Citation?! Please!!! People also say lsd collects in your spine!!!

"Virtually no research has been conducted on the toxicity of 2C-I. Unconfirmed reports have mentioned blood-clotting issues, muscle pain and fatigue, tingling of extremities, pain in the kidney areas (after repeated use) and symptoms of stroke. Seizures have been reported when 2C-I was taken in combination with Wellbutrin. Potential users of 2C-I should be aware that the long-term effects are virtually unknown.

As of 2005, no official scientific studies of 2C-I users have been conducted, and no deaths have been attributed to the drug. There have been no reports of physical dependence or addiction. Comparisons with similar compounds suggest that use of 2C-I is unlikely to result in physical dependence."

"However, some users report short-term diarrhea after ingestion also about an hour later. Nausea is expected. Strong and uncontrollable sexual impulses, violent expressions, the inability to communicate verbally or audibly receive information, have been observed in males during peak 2ci experiences.[citation needed]" I deleted this, because its absolute crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.171.94.28 (talk) 09:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Citations anyone??!! Revisited
The street names listed in the article for 2C-I (iTrip, etc.) seem to be flimsy/ unverified, especially Pie. can we get some sources for these names, other than hearing random guys on the street call it that? --Use the force (Talk * Contribs) 13:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

"Blood clotting issues" and "symptoms of stroke"
Are the above parts of the article accurate?

I experienced the left and the right side of my body feeling different on 2C-I, which I found very worrying (and I'm pretty sure the physical symptoms were there before the worrying). On the other hand, I experienced this both times I tried 2C-I; wouldn't having a stroke two of two times be kind of unlikely? There also wasn't any obvious lasting damage.

Suboptimal Username (talk) 10:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

"I experienced the left and the right side of my body feeling different on 2C-I" - You were high, 2c-i is a powerful drug, the fact that you were worried that you didnt feel normal on a powerful synthetic psychedelic should really be something youre expecting to happen.... You are not a doctor, or a researcher, or even an experienced drug user based on your comment... Stop flooding fact with fiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.14.101 (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Iodine allergy
There was a claim in the article that people with an allergy to iodine should avoid 2C-I. While this would be good advice, I see nothing authoritative suggesting that iodine allergies exist. If this is incorrect, please clarify the matter here. 74.178.245.217 (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Many of these assumptions are predicated on the false idea that the iodine atom is cleaved from the phenyl ring during metabolism, no free iodine will be produced by 2C-I ingestion unless it is prepared in the form of the HI salt, which it never would be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.66 (talk) 22:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't make any sense.
"A user taking 20 mg intramuscularly will need to take upwards of 30 mg to receive similar effects".

What?

"smoking requires a higher dosage" No, vaporizing requires it in the >5mg range

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.43.22 (talk) 21:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Schedule I In Pennsylvania
According to this bill, 2c-i along with many other substances are soon to become schedule I in Pennsylvania: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billinfo/billinfo.cfm?syear=2011&sind=0&body=S&type=B&bn=1006 98.114.48.213 (talk) 06:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Molecular structure is incorrect
The structure shows the methoxy groups at the 3- and 6- positions, whereas they are actually at the 2- and 5- positions on the phenethylamine molecule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.102.40 (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Fox News Article
The Fox news article used to make the claim that 2c-i has been involved in multiple deaths doesn't appear trustworthy. Many of the references are towards the similar drug 25I, which is known as "Smiles" and has a history of deaths well-documented. I have not been able to find any other material that corroborates the claims found in the Fox News article, so I am temporarily removing it from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivamoque (talk • contribs) 10:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

This erowid article discusses the deaths in the Fox News article, and says that they were actually 25I deaths. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ci_nbome/2ci_nbome_death.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivamoque (talk • contribs) 10:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Major problem with citations
My edits are being undone because I have no sources to cite with. Might as well go ahead and take the rest of the article down because theres hardly a citation there; most of it is user reports and the tone reflects this. On that note, a few things should be added to this article.

anecdotal user reports of disc shedding events in the eye anecdotal user reports of hypertensive crisis users note a decrease in psychoactivity with subsequent doses and an increase in symptoms of hypertensive crisis & a section on degradation this compound has been observed to degrade in heat to a form which lacks psychoactive effects & dries out mucous membranes, making it difficult to breathe and causing a vacuum to be pulled on the inner ear by the action of swallowing.

If i'm saying that a user (not myself) reported these things anecdotally to me, is it really necessary to require that I cite a source? Most of what is known about many scheduled substances and research chemicals come from human trials outside of a setting which would produce the kind of research which is citable on wiki. I personally would hate for the article to take on such a positive and whimsical tone which might encourage people to take this substance, while omitting all anecdotal accounts of negative facets just because they are without reference. Let me be clear, PEOPLES BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS. Please include the information I have listed above, or allow me to include it, for the sake of harm reduction, and because a source for such research cannot currently exist in a legitimate way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RotogenRay (talk • contribs) 17:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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