Talk:2channel/Archive 1

2channel users are not right-wing. This article is very biased.
2channel users are not right-wing. Japanese traitorous news media and anti-Japan far-right non-Japanese news media must not label 2channel as "internet right-wing". This article is very biased. Non-Japanese far-right racists obstructed my fair editing. They labeld my fair editing as vandalism. They must stop suppression of free speech. They must cancel semi-protection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.147.133.85 (talk) 10:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Update this article
I'd do it myself, but I'm unmotivated and find citing sources and whatnot irritating as shit, especially when trying to get sauces for widespread memes or stuff from threads in DATochi. Aren't there any other regular 2ch'ers who speak English here? From reading this article, it seems most of you haven't been on 2ch for a couple years or so. -SAGAkenmin

The creator dissapeared?
I heard the guy who ran 2ch has dissapeared to get away from the lawsuits. Is there any fact to this?

Yeah, there's fact to it in that that's what the media is saying in Japan. In reality, he just didn't go to court and ignored the lawsuits. I saw him at an event at Waseda University last week, where he claimed that he wasn't trying to "disappear," he just figured that the prosecution will give up if he ignores them (he's used that tactic before and it worked). -SAGAkenmin The creator did not disappear as you said he was fired from 2channel because he used user data and cencerd posts because large corporations paid him a large sum of money to. He was fired for those reasons.

Real life incidents under Culutre?
This definitely brightens up the Culture category. Cases when people post significant questions about their lives, usually romantic, and asks 2ch'ers for advice. They then report back what has happened and so it continues into a real life story. It appears that enough detail is reported for them to be made into manga.

Cases I know of:

Train Man (Densha Otoko)

Molester Man

Husky and Medley

Edit: Haha, Densha Otoko is already on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.113.236 (talk) 03:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Rottening?
The following looks like a bad chokuyaku (direct translation) from Japanese "This prevents the rottening of old threads" How about "This prevents threads from becoming stale" ?

"Old threads are moved to a paid archive, then eventually deleted." I think old postings are moved to a paid archive, then made public after certain period of time... Hideki 15:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

About the name of this article
The romanizations of 2channel are as follows: Ashibaka (tock) 03:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) "Channel 2", by the New York Times etc. This is just bad reporting, "correcting" a name that doesn't actually mean a TV channel.
 * 2) "Ni-Channel", by Mainichi News. This indicates the proper pronounciation but should not be used as the title because it doesn't indicate how the name is spelled in Japanese.
 * 3) "2channel". This is correct and is a proper name for this article.
 * 4) "2ch". This is an abbreviation and the name of the Web server. Historically it is the name of this article.
 * Is this a proposal to change the name of the article / move the article? Because I am all for it (Re: point #3). 84.137.9.128 04:10, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggest moving this article to 2channel. 2ch should contain a redirect to 2channel and maybe, while we're at it, it would be a good idea to put a disambiguation link on 2chan, linking to both 2channel and Futaba Channel. 84.137.19.181 12:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I just put my own suggestions into practice and put a disambiguation on 2chan. Feel free to disagree with me on that on the talk page there: Talk:2chan 84.137.19.181 13:34, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Today the article 2ch has been moved to 2channel. I created the Category:2channel, put a redirect on Category:2ch and edited the category entries of articles from 2ch to 2channel (as well as mentionings in articles itself where I saw fit). See Special:Whatlinkshere/2ch for stuff that I may have missed. zerofoks 11:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

stuff
2ch is not "BBS" as defined in the other entry on Wikipedia. "BBS" in English mainly refers to the old, pre-www-era computer communication system (パソコン通信 in Japanese). Online discussion forum, message board, or the like is a more appropriate term to describe it. (Hermeneus 11:56 18 Jul 2003 (UTC))

According to AcronymFinder,BBS = Bulletin Board System

Btw, there's another site that pretty much resembles 2ch.net called 2chan.net, maybe it should be noted?

2chan.net is known as Futaba Channel and is different from 2ch in that it centers around image uploading, not discussion threads.


 * The above comment is correct. Anyway there is an article on 2chan a.k.a. Futaba Channel now.Hermeneus (talk) 06:04, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * It's not a "true" BBS, but the Japanese use the term BBS much more broadly (for pretty much any sort of message board; even guestbooks are sometimes labelled "BBSes")   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 29 June 2005 02:39 (UTC)

dubious
Find me one thing that makes a "ga" sound upon hitting. lysdexia 22:45, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * "ga" is a onomatopoeia used for sound of hitting something in Japanese.
 * As for hitting itself, it's not for fixing a problem. Originally, one person created a thread "Call NullPointerException Nullpo" and then the second poster posted an "AA", hitting the first poster with a hammer.  After that it becomes almost ritual to hit someone who says "Nullpo".  Because "Nullpo" sounds funny, many 2ch'ers started to use it as a funny non-sense word. Kusunose 07:28, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Kusunose is correct. Ashibaka ✎ 22:26, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * It's 'nurupo', not 'nullpo'. Since it has no widespread use outside of 2ch and derived works, it's best to leave it as romanji. る = 'ru' 12Shark 10:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

orz
Should "orz" be mentioned on this page? It's briefly mentioned on ASCII_art, but I had the impression that it was strongly linked to 2ch. --Duty 07:02, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps more examples of 2ch-slang (２ch語) can be added, like 禿同（はげどう）, which is short for 激しく同意する; intentionally spelled with different kanji. I know there are more than this.

I prefer jargon to "slang" or "terminology" to refer to the language used in 2ch.--Outis 08:39, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

2ちゃんねる has much, much more information about 2ch than this entry. A translator would come in handy.

Notability
This 2ch thing sounds just like a regular phpBB or Invision Power Board based Internet Forum, it only has more discussion forums and lighter rules. Maybe Hiroyuki Noshomura should stop using Wikipedia for publicity or something. Fuck, I know people worship this stupid asian stuff, but, please, turn down the otakuness.


 * Anonymous does not forgive. Philip Nilsson 09:57, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * 2ch is extraordinary large board. it's not regular phpBB board. Sometimes number of online people@2ch are bigger than number of people who watch japanese TV! it's phenomenon of japanese internet. More than a million people post comments on Channel 2 every day, and the site gets 600 million page views a month.


 * 2ch is the most popular website in japan excluding ISP sites, according to Alexa. The Japanese wikipedia has articles upon articles related to 2ch, so it's definitely notable.


 * 2ch hardly needs Wikipedia for publicity. It practically is the Japanese Internet.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 29 June 2005 02:39 (UTC)
 * Erm 4chan came after and was based on 2ch. Is 4chan insignificant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.85.0 (talk) 22:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Masashi Tashiro
Is this prank really all that big a deal? I can understand a brief mention, but I don't see why this one stunt deserves so much detail. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 29 June 2005 02:39 (UTC)


 * I don't know. How about moving the most of stuff to Masashi Tashiro article, leaving a short mention of the event. -- Taku June 29, 2005 02:44 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 29 June 2005 05:23 (UTC)


 * It "WAS" significant four years ago. It's like asking a kid who is getting an Xbox 360 what he or she thinks of media attention or Microsoft's campaign for Xbox. It's going to be "Who cares?" and the kid is right and wrong. -- Revth 05:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Name field
I really think "for no fucking reason" should be replaced by something else,along the lines of "for no apparent reason,because it's somewhat offensive and quite frankly uncalled for.It's atonishing no one has noticed this before or done anything to make it right.

Yoshinoya Rant
Has been deleted some weeks ago. Now redirects here, but nothing about it can be found here. Anyone want to write up a section? --zerofoks 00:45, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's just another meme; you can Google it. There are already a lot of those on this page. Ashibaka tock 23:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I know what it is. I still think it should be explained in here, as it seems to be a classic from way back when. --zerofoks 15:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe a general entry about copype under Culture? --72.137.173.201 05:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge Nihon wa hansei shiru into this article
An AfD for Nihon wa hansei shiru was just closed with the result that it should be merged into this article. If anyone is familiar enough with the topics to do so, please do. Babajobu 07:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Nihon wa hansei shiru translation error
Does anyone else who speaks Japanese think the translation of "Nihon wa hansei shiru" is poorly translated as "...apolojuice..."? I mean, literally it means "Japan will apologize [in the future]".
 * no, su"ru" is a future form, shi-ro is a command form. So Nihon wa hansei shi"ro", Japan, Apologise or Apologise, Japan. Shiru on the other hand is juice so Apolojuice is the right translation. FWBOarticle
 * I agree, and I'm the one who made the original comment. That'll teach me to Japanize when I'm tired.
 * Or "Japan knows apology." But yeah, I acknowledge that Apolojuice is appropriate.  BTW, I'm not the one who made the other unsigned comments in this section.  --LakeHMM 05:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Etymology
If anyone has any information on why it's called 2channel, please add that, unless I missed it. --LakeHMM 05:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hiroyuki says he wanted a name that wasn't related to him, in order to advocate the spirt of Anonymous. Also, he mentions that channel 2 was the channel used to play video games back in the day.

Grammar?
''2channel has a conflicting relationship with Koreans. As 2channel is anonymous, having suppressed　criticsim of Korea and Koreans living in Japan are often posted. For instance in the time that there is no 2channel the problem of many people taken away by North Korea, Takeshma Problem, the problem of selling stimulant secretly by Koreans living in Japan, the Pachinko problem(gambling done by Mainly Koreans living in Japan and a part of its profit is sent to North Korea), were almost suppressed away from mass arguent.''


 * I'm sorry, could someone translate this into grammatically correct English? I'm having a hard time understanding what the writer is trying to say. --70.49.89.167 19:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems that some Japanese editor was trying to apolojuice for the obvious racism on 2channel. I reverted what I couldn't understand, and merged in what I could. Ashibaka tock 22:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Someone has deleted the whole block. Should it be restored? -- Hongooi 10:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes

DQN
DQN redirects here, but this article does not mention DQN at all... 198․81․129․100 19:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a great example of how not to make a Wikipedia article.
Hardly of this information is cited! I can't tell what is verifiable from the 7 or so citations. Even worse there is rampant WP:OR about the culture of 2CH and trolling 2CH when there isn't much written. If we removed the verfiable and sourced work in this article we'd be left with maybe 20 sentences if we're lucky. --TrollHistorian 21:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Article is almost pure OR
Except for the one or two articles actually discussing 2 chan in general and the few news mentions regarding some drama the article is   primarily original research. I tried tagging things with Fact but frankly there was so much I had to mark the whole article with the Original Research tag. It is pretty blatant. --TrollHistorian 17:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work, TrollHistorian. I'm quite sure that to create such a large article on a forum is impossible without OR. There aren't much literature on forums. (Wikimachine 02:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC))

Actually, there is a lot of stuff written about 2channel, and I bet almost all these claims can be verified, but it is all in Japanese. Ashibaka (tock) 22:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

TRANSLATE ALL FORUM CATEGORY
FOR NON JAPANESE ON ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.132.253 (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC).


 * It would fill the page. Phonemonkey 07:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Wired article
Just ran across this. Probably useful: http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2007/04/2channel --- RockMFR 04:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I love Wired for this and I love you for posting it Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 20:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:2ch.png
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the "recent" posting restrictions for 2ch
Is there anybody fluent in Japanese who'd be willing to write up what's required these days to be able to post on 2ch? It appears that a Be account is almost a requisite, in addition to using one of the specialized 2ch clients. --moof 03:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Can someone give me a quick primer on recent developments?
You, know all this talk about bancruptcies, Debito Arudou, 4chan, etc.? Shinobu 14:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Forum size comparison
This is two to three times larger than the largest Internet forum on big-boards.com. Is this comparision sound? And what does it compare? From the references: 1172194367 Total postcount Gaia Online 2499719 Current daily postcount 2channel 7000000000 Current daily postcount 2channel * lifetime 2channel (approx) 600000 Total postcount Gaia Online / lifetime Gaia Online (approx) The second-to-last figure is necessarily an overestimate of the total postcount, since 2channel would have had a lower daily postcount at the beginnign of its life. The last figure similarly must be an underestimate.

So my question is this: Which figures have been compared, how and why, and how can we use the cited references to see for ourselves that the assertion "2channel is 2 à 3 times larger than Gaia Online" that these references intend to back up is indeed correct? 82.139.85.81 23:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

SATELLITE CANON TASHIRO
HOWS THAT WRITTEN IN NIHONGO? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.17.249 (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

サテライトカノーンたしろ What does that have to do with 2ch though? 71.214.178.132 03:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "サテライトキャノン田代" Although I have no clue what you need this for XD--Koheiman 09:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:2ch.pngですが、古い画像なので張り替えたらいかが？ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.194.14.40 (talk) 12:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * もう二年前の画像なんですね．．．張り替えときました. --Koheiman (talk) 04:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Koheiman, I disagree with you writing it as "サテライトキャノン田代". "Canon", unless a mispelling of "Cannon" would most likely be spelled "カノン" "Kanon" not "キャノン" "Kyanon". Plus writing "Tashiro" would most likely be written as "たしろ" "Tashiro" not "田代" "ta"+"shiro". I think it would be written as "サテライト・カノン・たしろ" with the little dots in the middle to separate the words. Plus writing it as "カノーン" would be "Kanōn". Moocowsrule (talk) 05:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * 田代 would probably be the name "Tashiro", not "Tashiro" whatever the person is talking about... Moocowsrule (talk) 05:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Eh? Kinda confused about what you're on about. The OP probably wanted to ask about the spamming program with the same name (which, mind you, wasn't released by its creator according to this website.) --Koheiman (talk) 06:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The distributed computing projects that they help are different now
UD is no longer using home computers to look for disease cures. And SETI also has lost many members. Those members now 'crunch at home' for other sites such as WorldCommunityGrid.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 11:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Commercial/noncommercial designation
2ch is most definitely a commercial website. Its founder, Hiroyuku, gets approx. JPY 100 million (USD 1 million) per year from advertisements and memberships, as revealed through a Wired.com interview. He has a staff of over 300 volunteer administrators who do not receive pay; he keeps all the profits for himself.

Never assume that a website is non-commercial based on appearance or server downtime. I had to go through this discussion with 4chan as well. In general, if a site has advertisements of any kind, it is commercial. If a site sells paid memberships, optional or not, it is commercial. If a site solicits its members for "donations," it is commercial, unless the website is a certified nonprofit organization and/or charity like the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikipedian06 (talk) 09:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

vocab glossary
Teh vocab gloss should be copied into English Wiktionary 76.66.195.159 (talk) 03:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Futaba Channel (http://www.2chan.net)
Futaba Channel has been nominated for deletion. A suggestion has been made that it be merged here on the deletion page. 76.66.195.159 (talk) 03:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * They are two separate forums managed by separate teams. Why the merge? --Koheiman (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Affinity towards right-wing politics sub section added
Hi, I've added this new sub-section on the article. Since this may have some controversial issues, please feel free to discuss and advise any ideas in mind, thank you.--Makesdark (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Sexually explicit context and expressions sub section added
Hi, I've added another. Pls feel free to discuss, thank you.--Makesdark (talk) 08:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Active?
A latest announcement (Japanese) http://www.maido3.cc/server/ says their hosting company halted all their servers due to DDoS and to make the other servers secure in their colo secure. It is not said when they've expected the website go live again. --Aphaia (talk) 09:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, apparently DC Inside, a Korean site "allied" with a number of other sites connected to 2ch's servers... (ref : http://sisa-issue.inews24.com/php/news_view.php?g_menu=050230&g_serial=478154, Korean.) At least 10 thousand, and high estimates being 40 thousand people (not zombies) logged into 2ch and caused a Denial of Service. --Ispin (talk) 09:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

DQN Names
There is a social phenomenon with "DQN-ish" names for Japanese kids by 2ch users. There should be an organize info about this. http://dqname.jp/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Komitsuki (talk • contribs) 02:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Asahi Shimbun Incident
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E6%97%A5%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E%E7%A4%BE%E5%93%A12%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%82%93%E3%81%AD%E3%82%8B%E5%B7%AE%E5%88%A5%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE%E6%9B%B8%E8%BE%BC%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6 I think this is an important event of 2ch that needs to be included in the article. Komitsuki (talk) 02:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Sigh
Ok then. Since this article is clearly watched by the people who use this forum, this is probably a waste of time, but can anybody actually give a legitimate reason for why has any place here? I can give several why it has no place here. Its unsourced, its all exclusive to this one website, and its blatantly against WP:NOT specifically "pt 3. Usage, slang, and/or idiom guides."-- Jac 16888 Talk 20:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * . They're notable just as any other knowledgeble meme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.145.207.16 (talk) 19:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * maybe so, but the slang used isn't. Abusing me doesn't change that fact, nor does your little tantrum-- Jac 16888 Talk 22:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Probable copyvio, second section unsourced, take the source from the first section to WP:RS/N. Fifelfoo (talk) 12:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we might be able to make an exception to WP:NOT. Although it is a glossary of terms, it is still quite relevant to the topic at hand in my opinion. However, this is my opinion only, and probably wouldn't be in line with the views of other editors. Anyone else have something to say? --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 04:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to treat it as a translation of http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ちゃんねる用語. It's not "exclusive to this one website" anyway, 2channel dwarfs all other websites to the point it controls their language. I don't remember how to sign things, not that I care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrVacBob (talk • contribs) 20:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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New site name
2channel has rebranded itself as 5channel. Should the article's title be updated? Any other changes that should be made? Z-ch94 (talk) 16:00, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be done right now. This article covers 2channel as a whole, the 2ch.net website which was renamed (to 5ch) is claimed to have been "hijacked" by its founder who started his own website 2ch.sc. This article covers them both and the website is still popularly known a 2channel. Also I am waiting for the Japanese Wikipedia's decision on this which still lists it as 2ちゃんねる (5channel was redirected here based on the JA Wiki's actions). Gotitbro (talk) 11:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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