Talk:30 Rock/Archive 1

Disambiguation needed?
Does this need a disambiguation page to separate the TV show from the GE Building at 30 Rockefeller Plaza? 64.236.170.228 01:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added a blurb on top. @! 23:36, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Laugh Track
Does anybody know if the show has a laugh track.

The show does not have a laugh track. 19:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ratings
Anyone have access to the rating numbers for the pilot? It would be good to add to the main article and the Pilot (30 Rock episode) page.--Twintone 20:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Air date change
Shouldn't the air dates change on the list of episodes since there is a thursday night move?--Twintone 20:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

References need work
I fixed the first three references, but the rest need work. Basically we need to change the naked web addresses into nice web refs. This:

needs to be like this:



How to do it is here. -Peregrine Fisher 06:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia
The show name-dropped Wikipedia in the episode "The Head and the Hair." :) jengod 01:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it Hard Ball or Negotiation?
The episode that aired in the United States on February 22, 2007 is listed sometimes as "Negotiation" and sometimes "Hard Ball." Even the episode's own page has both titles (although the page is titled Hard Ball, the info box on the right says Negotiation). Can someone please clarify which name is actually correct? Xantar 21:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge from TGS with Tracy Jordan
Please merge relevant content, if any, from [ TGS with Tracy Jordan] per Articles for deletion/TGS with Tracy Jordan. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-05 10:42Z 

Why isn't TGS a separate article? I think there is enough content to make it quite a good sized articled with good information about the fictitious show. Battye (talk) 07:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

March 1st Ratings
I put in the 3.9/6 rating from the Zap2It overnights for The Source Awards, though I'm not entirely sure how accurate that is seeing as it's an average of 30 Rock and Scrubs. TVWeek hasn't updated yet.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.149.182 (talk) 03:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard
A new noticeboard, Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Episode notability
Many or all of the existing individual episode pages for appear to fail the notability guidelines for television episodes, and have been tagged accordingly. These articles can be improved through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. Overly long plot summaries should be edited, to a maximum length of approximately ten words per minute of screen time. Trivia should be integrated into the body of the article, or removed if it is not directly relevant. Quotes and images should only be used as part of a critical analysis of the episode. You might also consider merging any notable information onto the "List of episodes" or season pages. Otherwise, when these pages come up for review in fourteen days, they may be redirected, merged or deleted. If you want any help or further information, then come to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episode coverage. Thanks. TTN 17:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

A new season?
Is this up-to-date? Specifically, has it been picked up for Fall 2007/Spring 2008? And might that infomation be included?

yes it has been, I saw a new episode being played yesterday, and went on the official site to confirm it, someone should post updated information —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papavb (talk • contribs) 10:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Links to 30 Rock resources
Why do you keep deleting the link to that 30 Rock quote page? They aren't selling anything so it's not spam. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.43.177.88 (talk • contribs).
 * Fan-based Website are generally not considered notable. It's not that the quotation site is spam, it's just that "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority" are "normally to be avoided". See WP:EL for more information. --Jeremy Butler 01:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ra-ra-ra-ra-ratings
How can the show of noever been lower than 88th in the weeklies, then ended up ranked lower than 100? I guess, I just dont understand. someone help me. Janemansfield74 21:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Basically it's because networks air different shows during different weeks. The short answer is Law of Averages. Here's an example:

During Week 1 a network, say ABC, airs Show A which earns 20 million viewers while another network, NBC, airs Show B which earns 10 million. The next week ABC airs Show C instead which earns 19 million, while NBC sticks with Show B and earns 10 million again. Even though Show B was in second both weeks, it's 3rd over all.

Show A averaged 20 mill, C average 19 mill, while B only averaged 10. And that's just bumping it down after 2 weeks. Imagine how much shows get bumbed down over a season with 4 or 5 networks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcb30 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Article assessment
I have rated this article as mid importance because of the awards recognition the show has received. It was already rated as B class so I have not assessed it for quality. These categories are arbritrary and are subject to review by any editor who feels confident to do so. Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve good article or featured article status. I used criteria from the television wikiproject guidelines here, article about TV series guidelines here and the assessment guidelines here.--Opark 77 11:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Weekly Ratings
Is it worth moving the weekly ratings to their own page in time for the new season and just putting a "further information" in the space of them? It will get pretty cluttered, certainly towards the end of this season. Jamie jca 21:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Removing Episode Links
Someone really needs to help go through all the 30 Rock related pages and remove the episode links (All except Pilot (30 Rock episode) since they got deleted a few months ago.

Jamie jca (talk) 22:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

List of 30 Rock episodes for featured list
The list of episodes is currently a candidate for featured list. Not many people have commented on it so far, so if you can do so, please review it. Thanks. --Jamie jca (talk) 20:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

"Episode 210" for Good Article
The article for the episode "Episode 210" has been listed as a good article candidate. Please could somebody review it. Thanks. --Jamie jca (talk) 20:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "Episode 210" is now a good article. -- Jamie jca (talk) 18:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

30 Rock taskforce
A 30 Rock taskforce has been proposed. See WikiProject Council/Proposals. -- Jamie jca (talk) 00:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

large amount of references
The line Dratch appeared in eleven first season episodes.[23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33] has an excessive amount of references. Could someone do something about this? Thank you. LonelyPker (talk) 04:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So you want to NOT reference something? -- Jamie jca (talk) 22:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I just don't think it needs to have eleven references. LonelyPker (talk) 23:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Anyone willing to help?
Is anyone willing to help get this article up to GA or even FA? Leave a message on my talk page if you're willing to help. Thanks. -- Jamie jca (talk) 23:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if the workgroup is going to really accomplish anything we can't do here, so why don't we just work in a more informal manner on this talk page. I'm thinking I can do a bit of copy editing and formatting.  I changed the lede to show you what I might be able to help with. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 07:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So I've been reading the article starting from the top. I notice that the music section is unreferenced.  We may want to just remove it.  I'm looking for refs, but I don't know that they support an entire section.  Maybe we should merge some of the production sections. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should insert the refs we have, and put the "citation needed" tag on the parts that are unreferenced. If after a while they have no refs, we will just delete them.  Corn.u.co.pia ♥  Disc.us.sion  03:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at the section, most of it can be reffed with episode citations, but we just need to know which song was performed in which episode.  Corn.u.co.pia ♥  Disc.us.sion  06:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * For this line: "The series features a jazzy score that heightens comical moments", I tried to find some refs, but couldn't find any. These two are OK:, but do not mention the music heightening comical moments. Whatdya think?  Corn.u.co.pia  ♥  Disc.us.sion  05:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's an interview that Amazon did with Tina Fey about the show. Might be useful. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contributions) 16:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you guys think about nominating the article for GA status? What's holding us back?  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  07:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. i made some tweaks, but there are a couple of things that may be able to be improved.  The Cast and characters section has a lot of semicolons, although I couldn't think of a better way.  Also, using eleven inline refs for "Dratch appeared in eleven first season episodes." doesn't look right.  Maybe one ref that lists the eps?
 * "He again angers the cast and crew of The Girlie Show when he changes the name to TGS with Tracy Jordan (or just TGS)." - Was it "The Girlie Show with Tracy Jordan" or "TGS with Tracy Jordan"? I can't remember.
 * "The first episode is a fitting parallel to the struggles of the show, which is attempting to rebound from a poor viewership year. After winning a number of awards the producers were hoping to have a massive increase in ratings." Is this 30 Rock or TGS with Tracy Jordan?
 * I stopped working on it at the reception area. I might do more tweaking, or I might not. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 14:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC):
 * I added some more info to the casting section. I changed the semicolons to full stops. I know the sentences seem very short, but check out Lost (TV series). That's a FA, so I guess it's OK. I removed the Dratch sentence. Too many citations, and besides, it isn't really needed. Who cares if she appeared in 11 eps. The title is just TGS with Tracy Jordan, and I'm not sure what to say for your last point; I'm pretty sure it's referring to 30 Rock.  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  16:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I improved the ratings section, though it still needs some additional refs.  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  13:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just been looking at the guest stars section and I think we really need to discuss who qualifies as "Notable" and who doesn't. -- Jamie jca (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We should probably keep recurring characters like Will Arnett as Devon Banks, Rachel Dratch (unless we don't want to repeat that), Edie Falco as Congresswoman Celeste "C.C." Cunningham, Emily Mortimer as Phoebe, etc. Then some of the more famous/notable one appearance actors like Seinfeld and Schwimmer,  Maybe get rid of half of them? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 23:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know we're talking about GA, but I imagine you've got FA in mind too. I was about to start tweaking the Critical reception part, but I think it may need more than that.  It mostly talks about the reception of a few episodes instead of the show (or at least seasons) themselves.  Here's a ref that talks about the show through season 1.  I'll probably add it tomorrow if we decide to change that section.  We can probably make GA with some minor tweaks to that section.  Whadya think? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For the guest star section, maybe we should list only those who have been on the series for a few episodes, or have at least had a major part in the plot of one episode.  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  06:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. How about multiple episodes and ones that have refs.  That will make it eadsy to include Seinfeld, Schwimmer (I think), and Broderick.  Probably a couple others. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do we really need refs for guest stars? We could just use episode citations, but I really think that would be a waste of time. Also, does anyone know where to get refs for the ratings section, esp Australia and the UK?  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  06:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't need refs for the guest stars. It would just be cool to add what some reviewer said about each.  It's totally up to us who to include, but we need a ref if we want to say "Seinfeld was great" or whatever.  Choose who you want, and I'll try and add a ref or two.  I'll also look for some foreign refs, but aren't you from the UK or Austrailia?  I'm from the US, and I pretty much use google news, which probably isn't indexing all the good foreing news sites, so I may be useless on foreign ratings. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I'll try to find refs for Australia. I like the idea to have something about each character. This will be pretty easy for Seinfeld and Schwimmer because both SeinfeldVision and Cooter have reception sections about them.  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  07:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've removed a few of the lesser known names (i.e, Will Forte, Anna Chlumsky) as well as some of the guest stars who only have one or two lines (i.e, Joy Behar, Lester Holt, Ghostface Killah, Jackie Mason, John McEnroe, Al Roker, Whoopi Goldberg and Gladys Knight) from the guest stars list. Also, i'd just like to ask other peoples opinion. Is it "Episode 209" or "Ludachristmas"? I normally use "Episode 209" because that's what NBC put on its press releases. Also, i've just cited the UK ratings section with a newspaper review. Could anyone find a more reliable source instead of The Futon Critic in the conception section? -- Jamie jca (talk) 00:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think "Episode 209" is best, or until an official source comes out with another title. I'll try to find more reliable sources soon.  Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ  Disc.us.sion  07:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Supporting Cast

 * "The series has an ensemble cast which currently consists of ten regular cast members, including Fey. The series main cast consists of Fey, Tracy Morgan, Jane Krakowski, Jack McBrayer, Scott Adsit, Judah Friedlander and Alec Baldwin. The show also has a cast of three other supporting characters as well as many recurring characters."

I'd always wondered, when watching the credits, what is the difference between, to use the terms used in the article, the main cast (those whose names and images appear in the opening credits) and the supporting cast (who get credits at the end). Fame is obviously one criteria - so Tina Fey, Tracey Morgan, and maybe Jane Krakowski get opening credits (and of course Alec Baldwin, as the most famous but nonetheless not central character, gets an "and" credit). Another criteria is the amount of screen time the actor gets. But I don't understand, then, why Jack McBrayer (Kenneth the page), Scott Adsit (Pete the producer), and Judah Friedlander (Frank, one of the writers), get opening credits, while Katrina Bowden (Cerie), Keith Powell(Toofer), and Lonny Ross (Josh) don't (at least until the second season)?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew238 (talk • contribs) 09:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Dratch's reaction to her "demotion"
After reading these two references:
 * 1) http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/22836/ (Rachel Rolls With It) and
 * 2) http://web.archive.org/web/20061012162231/http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2006/10/08/1978793-cp.html (Fey hopeful about success of 30 Rock); a better reference for the same article is here

I think the following "tweaking" done by Cornucopia (talk · contribs) is not an improvement:

Tweaked version (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=30_Rock&oldid=235538779):
 * Fey attributed the change to the role itself, one she called a "straight-ahead acting part" better suited for Krakowski. Fey said that they "were both very excited about this new direction", however Dratch said that she was not too happy about her reduction in screen time.

Untweaked version (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=30_Rock&oldid=235333057):
 * Fey attributed the change to the role itself, one she called a "straight-ahead acting part" better suited for Krakowski. Fey said that she and Dratch "were both very excited about this new direction", though a New York magazine interview with Dratch from around the same time indicated that Dratch didn't share her former comedy partner's excitement.

IMHO here are the quotes from the two articles which should be accurately summarized (bold is used to highlight evidence of Dratch's lack of excitement)


 * Reference 2: "30 Rock" was in the news in August for switching gears after the pilot had already been shot, downgrading Fey's "Saturday Night Live" colleague, Rachel Dratch, from her role as star...But for all the difficulties - and the jarring revision to the pilot that sees Dratch go from one of the stars of the show to a barely-there cat wrangler - the premiere of "30 Rock," airing in Canada on Tuesday night on CTV, is promising.


 * From Dratch's comments (reference 1): Tina told me there was a part for me in it, and I didn’t ask much since we’ve worked together for so long. I just sort of rode the wave—until they told me to get off the wave....I think the big thing was—at least what they told me—that at first they wanted to have more comedy sketches in the show. Then they decided they weren’t going to focus on the sketches, so they needed more of a sitcom actress, as opposed to a character actress.... I’m phrasing this all very nicely. That’s the party line, at least....[W]hen Tina told me I was going to play different characters each show, I was actually psyched about it, because it sounded really unique. But then the media kind of ran with this “demotion” thing, so that was kind of a bummer....Why do I only have six [episodes]? But then I decided I shouldn’t open my trap too much, so I just left it at that.


 * Fey's comments (reference 2):Fey...insists that Dratch harbours no hard feelings about being recast, saying the role of the host was more a straight-ahead acting part and that the woman best known as Debbie Downer on "SNL" is better-suited to play a variety of eccentric side characters. "You never cut funny; the more funny people, the better," Fey says. "Rachel and I were both very excited about this new direction. She's so delightful when she's deep in character and she's going to be playing a range of different characters."

(BTW, the two articles were published within a week of each other)

Since "straight-ahead acting part" is an interviewer's paraphrase and Dratch's comments in her interview make it clear that "very excited" is not an accurate characterization of Dratch's reaction, here's the new version I'm about to introduce:
 * Fey explained the change by noting that Dratch is "better-suited to playing a variety of eccentric side characters" and that the role of Jenna was more of a straight-ahead acting part. Although Fey went on to say that "Rachel and I were both very excited about this new direction", Dratch's excitement was short-lived, due in part to the media's depiction of the change as a demotion, to Dratch's skepticism about the reasons she was given for the change, and to the reduction in the number of episodes in which she would appear.

It goes without saying that further improvements are welcome, but I hope an effort is made to characterize both actresses comments fully and accurately. Thanks. 68.167.250.194 (talk) 09:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC).

Messy article
This article is hard to read. The opening section is far too long. In most Wikipedia articles, especially those of TV shows, there is a brief opening paragraph about what the show is and when it began. Then, the sections begins. This article has an extremely long opening paragraph and it is very unreadable and not in-line with other TV show articles. Just my opinion. --Mezaco (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Lost (TV series) featured, Heroes (TV series) featured, Arrested Development (TV series) featured. -- [User] Jamie JCA [Talk] 23:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry Mezaco, that's just your opinion. Seems fine to me. Be bold if you want to improve it.-- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  07:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Notable guest stars
Right now, the notable guest stars has it very own section. Shouldn't it be put under cast and characters? -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  07:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but wouldn't putting the list in the middle of the article make it "messy"? Your argument makes sense, but I think the "cast and characters" section is more for the regular characters. Let's see what other users have to say.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  12:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And so does yours. I previewed it and you're right, it pretty much messies up the whole article harmony. Maybe adding a wikitable to the thing? Let's see.

{| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed" style="clear:none; font-size:90%; margin:0 auto; padding:0 auto;width:80%" ! align="center" colspan="1" | Notable guest stars

Appearing as characters

 * Fred Armisen as Raheem Haddad ("Somebody to Love")
 * Will Arnett as Devon Banks ("Fireworks", "Jack Gets in the Game", "Succession")
 * Wayne Brady as Steven Black ("The Source Awards")
 * Matthew Broderick as James Riley, also known as Cooter Burger ("Cooter")
 * Steve Buscemi as Lem ("The Collection")
 * Tim Conway as Bucky Bright ("Subway Hero")
 * LL Cool J as Ridikolous ("The Source Awards")
 * Rachel Dratch as various characters ("Pilot", "The Aftermath", "Jack Meets Dennis", "Tracy Does Conan", "The Break Up", "The Baby Show", "The Rural Juror", "Up All Night", "The C Word", "Hard Ball", "Hiatus")
 * Edie Falco as Congresswoman Celeste "C.C." Cunningham (D-VT) ("Somebody to Love", "Secrets and Lies", "Episode 210", "Cooter")
 * Carrie Fisher as Rosemary Howard ("Rosemary's Baby")
 * Sean Hayes as Jesse Parcell ("Hiatus")
 * Peter Hermann as Gray ("The Head and the Hair")
 * Anita Gillette as Margaret Lemon ("Episode 209")
 * Buck Henry as Dick Lemon ("Episode 209")
 * Nathan Lane as Eddie Donaghy ("The Fighting Irish")
 * Stephanie March as Gretchen Thomas ("Blind Date")
 * Emily Mortimer as Phoebe ("Corporate Crush", "Cleveland", "Hiatus")
 * Chris Parnell as Dr. Leo Spaceman ("Tracy Does Conan", "The Baby Show", "The Rural Juror", "Fireworks", "Hiatus", "Jack Gets In The Game", "Succession")
 * Paul Reubens as Gerhardt Habsburg ("Black Tie")
 * Andy Richter as Mitch Lemon ("Episode 209")
 * Isabella Rossellini as Bianca ("Black Tie", "Up All Night")
 * Molly Shannon as Katherine Catherine ("The Fighting Irish")
 * David Schwimmer as Jared a.k.a. Greenzo ("Greenzo")
 * Elaine Stritch as Colleen Donaghy ("Hiatus", ""Ludachristmas"")
 * Sherri Shepherd as Angie Jordan ("Up All Night", "Jack Gets in the Game", "The Collection")
 * Jason Sudeikis as Floyd ("Up All Night", "The Source Awards", "The Fighting Irish", "Fireworks", "Corporate Crush", "Cleveland", "Hiatus", "Sandwich Day")
 * Rip Torn as Don Geiss ("The C Word", "Corporate Crush", "Jack Gets in the Game", "Succession", "Sandwich Day")
 * Kristen Wiig as Candace Van Der Shark ("Somebody to Love")
 * Dean Winters as Dennis Duffy ("Jack Meets Dennis", "Tracy Does Conan", "The Break Up", "Subway Hero", "Cooter")

Appearing as themselves

 * New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg ("Subway Hero")
 * Tucker Carlson ("Hard Ball")
 * James Carville ("Secrets & Lies")
 * Al Gore ("Greenzo")
 * Chris Hansen ("The Break-Up")
 * Rob Huebel ("MILF Island")
 * Chris Matthews ("Hard Ball")
 * John McEnroe ("The Head and the Hair")
 * Conan O'Brien ("Tracy Does Conan")
 * Jerry Seinfeld ("SeinfeldVision")
 * Meredith Vieira ("Greenzo")
 * Whoopi Goldberg ("The Rural Juror")
 * Maury Povich ("Fireworks")
 * Ghostface Killah ("Jack-Tor", "The Source Awards")
 * Lester Holt ("Cleveland")
 * Gladys Knight ("Episode 210")


 * This seems alright with me. Any thoughts? -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  08:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's actually not bad, but I'm not sure it is really imperative that the guest stars are listed under the "CaC" section. I say we wait for a couple of other users to voice their opinion, and we'll go from there. Good enough?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  09:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, of course! I copied that list from another article, maybe a more experienced Wikipedian would know how to make it better. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  10:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whaddaya say about being bold? I'll do the edits, if you or another Wikipedian disagrees they'll eventually find the talk page.
 * I see nothing wrong with the change, but the table needs some fixing. I don't have much experience with them, so could you make it so that there are two columns and the section "Notable guest stars" is removed? Currently, you cannot click on "Appearing as characters" and "Appearing as themselves" in the contents table. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? ;)  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  01:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, absolutely. I was trying to fix that too, but I'm not that Wiki-technical. When I have the time (I'm at work right now ^_^) I'll drop a line at a corresponding WikiProject. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  15:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episodes and characters, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction). Ikip (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Weekly Ratings
What you people think of making ratings more in depth like on the Chuck page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_(TV_series)#Weekly_ratings

I think it would be a good idea, and good upgrade to the article.

What you think? IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Critical reception
This Slate article is a bit opinionated, but interesting and might contain some good information that someone wants to add... http://www.slate.com/id/2217712/ ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

i dont get it?
there are numerous mentions in this article about the show doing better in australia than the USA, not only are they unreferenced, but they seem completely false, the show does rather poorly in Australia. Can someone please explain.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 04:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

German ratings
This source would be worth including. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Overnight ratings VS Final Ratings
Right now we seem to have both represented.

The average viewship for each season is computed with final ratings, meanwhile the ratings listed for each episode on the episode page are overnights.

The difference is overnights are just a quick count in order to make press time the next day, final ratings are a more accurate count and they're what networks and advertisers ultimately go by.

Tvbythenumbers.com is an excellent place to find out more info. They also post final numbers every day when they become available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcb30 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Syndication
Global Syndication information required for all TV shows --Johnny Bin (talk) 01:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

It might be helpful if someone could provide more detail about the recent TBS syndication announcement (I think it was about 800K per episode). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.47.51 (talk) 08:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Status of Lonny Ross
Hey there, just wondering if we need confirmation of some sort on the status of Ross being in or out of the sitcom. The 30 Rock article mentions at the end of the Cast and Character's section that he's been written out. Neither the Lonny Ross page or the Josh Girard page mention he's left the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Split negative (talk • contribs) 00:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Notable Guest Stars
Should actors who appear in the 'minor characters' page also be listed as notable guest stars? I guess it might depend more on the fame of the actor than the frequency of their appearance: eg I would say Rip Torn should be there, but not Chris Parnell or Dean Winters? Any views?

I think it would also be good to list the character which a guest star plays. What do others think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.6.106 (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Famous guest stars should be mentioned.Bill Heller (talk) 04:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Toofer
The article describes as "James "Toofer" Spurlock, the proud African-American Harvard University alumnus". I'm not sure about proud part of it. In one of the early episodes, Liz says to Tracy "well Toofer, he just hates black people" and Tracy replies "which one is Toofer" to which Liz responds "the black guy". So, is calling him proud appropriate. The episode was possibly "Jack-tor" Phil Nolte (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The episode was Season 1 Episode 2, "The Aftermath" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.28.121 (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Reversion of alt text in 30 Rock without giving a reason
Hi,

Is there a reason why you are reverting the alt text in 30 Rock? As you know, per Alternative text for images, soon alt text will be required for all articles. In the United States, it is already mandated by law the websites provide alt text for disabled users. Any one who is blind, uses a screen reader for whatever reason, or who disables the downloading of images, needs alt text.

Is you reason that you do not like alt text at all, or that you don't like my alt test. If the latter is the case, it would have been enough to just let me know, instead of reverting while giving no reason.

Thank you, Tuxedo junction (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The "other" 30 Rock
There was another use of the term "30 Rock", and it was by NBC Sports during a summer (I'm guessing) about 10 years ago. "30 Rock" was the equivalent of a sort of sports control where up-to-the minute sports news was given, current scores were read, and information on upcoming NBC Sports programming was announced. I recall Bob Costas anchored it once. I'm thinking it would be helpful to have - somewhere in this article or, perhaps, in a new article, some mention of this other "30 Rock" that predates the sitcom. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigameshow (talk • contribs) 20:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

John Lutz (television writer)
Note that John Lutz (television writer) is the writer associated with 30 Rock, not John Lutz. I just finished a round of cleanup to deal with this. 67.101.5.191 (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Really?
Picking on poor Australia as just an example: "Seven Network broadcast the first season Mondays and Wednesdays at 22.30, from December 4, 2007.[118] The second season began showing on June 9, 2008, now on Mondays at 23.30,[119] and the third from February 2, 2009 in the same timeslot. From December 2009, the third season was rebroadcast at the earlier time of 22.30 Mondays and Tuesdays, where it grew significantly in popularity, but the fourth was nonetheless broadcast Mondays at 23.30 once more, beginning February 1, 2010. However, 7mate has since aired the show in the earlier timeslot of 21:30, Mondays. Season five is now broadcast at 22:30, Thursdays from October 21, 2010." Wow, is this kind of information really encyclopedic? It would appear to be more soporific. Haven't checked out any articles (if they exist) on trains like the 20th Century Limited, but can imagine in Wikiland they must include text like: "Prior to Jan 2, 1945, the 20th Century Limited stopped at East Treespit, OK at 10:32, but after that it stopped at 10:37 leading to a 0.0013% increase in ridership." At the very least, this kind of sh, er stuff, should be reduced to a table so it is clearer to follow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.164.201 (talk) 16:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

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Ending?
is 30 Rock ending? I was searching Google and finding Alec Baldwin saying that season 6 is the final season. Is that true? 68.44.179.54 (talk) 19:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily; more information can be found here. Kevinbrogers (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I heard the same thing but when I checked other programming pages and wiki pages it looks like 30 Rock was picked up for the 7th season I don't know who to trust. aureliasaurus ( talk)

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"critical acclaim throughout its run"
While I have been reverted several times in making an edit related to this sentence, the fact is that the section on reception (which could certainly use some expansion) does not prove that 30 Rock was critically acclaimed all throughout its original run. It is not true that the first season was acclaimed, for example, according to Metacritic. Critics' lists for 2008, 2009, and 2011 are also not mentioned, which means that the section doesn't prove acclaim for the third, fourth, or sixth seasons. Until the quoted statement is actually backed up, the reversions of User:Anonymous5454 will constitute the reintroduction of unsourced puffery and will thus be undone. AndrewOne (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You're making a change to the page; you have to justify it and garner a WP:Consensus. I don't have to justify the language that has been listed on this page for several years now simply for stopping you. You've now violated the WP:3RR and are owed a block, and as such, I will revert your last edit. The current language is absolutely fine and has been fine for years, and is sourced in the critical reception section; it implies that the show received consistent acclaim, not that it was always acclaimed. To your example, the first season won the Emmy for Outstanding Comedy Series and was clearly acclaimed. If you revert again, it might be necessary to get ANI involved. Stop edit-warring and garner a consensus if you want to make an edit to the page. Anonymous5454 14:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I justified it in my past edits to the page, and also in the post you just responded to. I already showed why the section on reception does not back up the argument that 30 Rock was acclaimed all throughout its run. You have also falsely accused me of breaking the WP:3RR (no more than three reverts on a page in 24 hours) when I have not broken that rule, and you did not address my pertinent comment that critics' lists for numerous years were not mentioned. Please stop evading the question at hand. AndrewOne (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

"Throughout its run" is a literary term, not a legal term. To use the phrase in the lede, it's sufficient to have citations for 4 of 7 seasons, unless there's evidence one season was "panned by critics" or the like. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No, citations for all seven seasons having been acclaimed are needed for use of the phrase, because the word "throughout" is specifically defined as "in or to every part of; everywhere in". The Sopranos and Fargo are examples of shows that were acclaimed, or have been acclaimed, all throughout their runs. Look to the third paragraphs of the articles for The Office and Parks and Recreation and for examples of intellectually honest summaries of critical reception. Season four of 30 Rock received a 67% on Rotten Tomatoes, with a 7.57 average. This, while positive, is not acclaim. Season one has a 73% with a 7.55 average. The phrase "throughout much of its run" is in greater accordance with the facts. AndrewOne (talk) 14:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Power~enwiki is correct. Anonymous5454 04:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

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