Talk:31st G8 summit

Security
There is mention of there being "possibly" 2000 US Marines at the event. I was there. There weren't. I've no doubt that there were Marines there but not 2000.

Why is Bush's bike accident considered worthy of inclusion into an encyclopedia entry?


 * Perhaps we should mention how the London bombing may divert attention from African aid to terrorism?


 * The article is good NPOV but the large number of activist sites werte not, as this is an article about the G8 summit, not about the protests against it. Put them elsewhere but not here, SqueakBox 21:19, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)


 * You can't consider a G8 summit outside of the context of the protests it sparks.
 * I agree. Make sure the coverage on the protests is balanced, but it definitely needs to be there. --Taramul July 9, 2005 17:35 (UTC)

I added a reference (link) for the paragraph which starts with the "700 people arrested" claim. NB: I discovered the wikipedia text is very close to linked article's text. I don't know if this is a cause for concern. Lambda kid (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Global Warming
Call me stupid (actually no, please don't), but where's the proof for this?

the US position of refusing to recognize the existence of global warming

I've heard about it before, but I want actual proof. --Thorns Among Our Leaves 7 July 2005 17:00 (UTC)


 * Until someone cites a source, that is probably a bit extreme. But the US position still doesn't seem to see it as a major issue, since Bush still doesn't appear to want to tackle it.  There was apparently some disagreement on it between Bush and Blair this morning. Sonic Mew July 7, 2005 19:59 (UTC)


 * I don't see what we could do about global warming. The Earth has been warmer and colder in the past, and I really doubt that there is anything mankind can do to change it. Let's not forget that there was a large ice sheet thousands of years ago that covered much of Canada and the United States. Also, evidence shows that we are currently in an interglacial, where the Earth warms up before another period of glaciation. ~ BRO-co03 July 8, 2005 00:30 (UTC)
 * Not the place for this discussion. But see eg Ruddiman in global warming - arguing that we would be in an ice age again if it hadn't been for the invention of agriculture. Rd232 8 July 2005 06:28 (UTC)
 * It is true that earth keeps warming up and growing colder periodically, however I doubt the rate at which we're currently warming up can be considered normal, and even IF the major reason for the warming are natural cycles, we still should do our best to not push that process, don't you think? --Taramul July 9, 2005 15:34 (UTC)
 * I just don't think mankind can do much to change it. I believe if we try to do so it would cost too much and do too little. ~ BRO-co03 July 9, 2005 18:20 (UTC)

Blair's Speech
Blair just gave a speech announcing they'd reach a deal on helping Africa. Can someone add the jist of it into the article? He basically said that he'd had to compromise some stuff but got the bulk of what's needed. America's supposedly "shown interest" in combating global warming by switching to modern technologies at some point in the future or something, so in other words absolutely nothing was achieved on the global warming front. --80.4.224.5 8 July 2005 11:45 (UTC)

31st?
Should this be called the 31st G8 summit? The group certainly haven't met as the 'G8' 31 times, so the name is slightly misleading.
 * I've been pondering this for a while. The other option is to name them by year,  so 2005 G8 summit.  So instead of 23rd G7 summit leading to 24th G8 summit, which is what the current system implies, it would be 1997 G7 summit to 1998 G8 summit.  Anyone have a preference? There's also the issue that the article covers the ministerial meetings and other activities before the actual summit.  Maybe G8 in 2005 would be more accurate?  -   BanyanTree 8 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)
 * The year in which the summit commenced should be part of the title. The summit deals with contemporary issues, thus is is logical to include the year in the title, so the meeting can be put into the correct context at a glance. It is less important to know that it was the 31st of its kind than that it happened in 2005 and dealed with issues of this time. I suggest to rename it 2005 G8 summit. That also deals with the fact that it wasn't called the G8 during all its summits. --Taramul July 9, 2005 15:32 (UTC)
 * Note - I created a redirect to this article, that should fix the issue for the moment. --Taramul July 9, 2005 17:54 (UTC)

africa debt
is there somehting missing? was the african debt forgiven or not?

Democracy?
What is "democracy" in Africa? We're going to give them ballot cards instead of food? Can they make the ballot cards edible? -- brian0918 &#153;   04:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course! All ballots are edible, you should know that. Check out the Edible Ballot Society

First day?
The first paragraph says " The summit was overshadowed, however, by bomb attacks in London on the first day of the conference." But the London bombings were on July 7, the SECOND day. Doidimais Brasil 03:10, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * it was the first full day - they met on the evening of the 6th for a dinner. Rd232 17:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Photograph
I am not at all convinced this is Edinburgh. The police are not wearing Lothian and Borders uniform, the police van on the right say the name of the force at the top and does not look like L+B, and the man on the front right is holding a mic of TFM...
 * I'm pretty sure it is Edinburgh; I recognize the location on Princes Street, and if you look at the full size picture, you can just about make out "Edinburgh" on the purple banner on the streetlamp. The police are from the Greater Manchester force, but there were forces from all over the North of England involved in policing the summit, so that's consistent with it being a picture from Edinburgh. The TFM microphone is a bit surprising, but they did broadcast the Live 8 concert, and publicly supported "Make Poverty History," so it's not at all impossible they had a reporter in Edinburgh . VoluntarySlave 05:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. It was the English hardhats that the police were wearing that got me thinking.

Movie
Here is a movie about the summit by the camcorder guerilla's: http://www.camcorderguerillas.net/g8_dowload.htm --Codegrinder 13:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

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EU participation
There is a slow-motion edit war about one aspect of 31st G8 summit.

Beginning with the 3rd G7 summit in London in 1977, the President of the European Commission or his successor President of the European Union has been a formal participant in successive annual events -- see  In each article about G7/G8 summits, Lucie-Marie has deleted text about EU participation. These serial reverts ignored hyperlinks in the supporting inline citations which were also deleted. Despite attempts to engage discussion here, no consensus has been achieved. Her opinions here have merit, but they remain only opinions. No cited source supports these reverts. Our core policies require something different. WP:V seems relevant because "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth &mdash; whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."


 * Group of Seven or G7+1


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 * 2012 38th G8 summit, US?

A slow-motion edit war is worrisome; but discussion can be constructive -- see Muskoka 2010: G8 members

The edit history of 36th G8 summit records an unhelpful pattern:
 * 1) diff 17:40, 9 July 2008 Lucy-marie (6,628 bytes) (→Composition of summit leaders)
 * 2) diff 16:48, 20 July 2008 Lucy-marie (10,987 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit: EU is invited and could be left off the invite list so it is not a oermenet member)
 * 3) diff 21:54, 10 April 2009 Lucy-marie m (24,339 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit)
 * 4) diff 19 March 2010 JLogan (24,837 bytes) (EU is a permanent participant, not merely a guest. check the main page)

The same pattern is seen at 37th G8 summit:
 * 1) diff  21:54, 10 April 2009 Lucy-marie m (12,394 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit)
 * 2) diff 09:28, 19 March 2010 JLogan (12,628 bytes) (→Leaders at the summit: EU is permanent participant, not just a guest)

This thread may help resolve the issues, or it may help bring clearer focus. --Tenmei (talk) 02:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

4 July – Carnival for Full Enjoyment, roving anticapitalist street parties
this is a bit biased. I was at work on Pricess St edinburgh it was basically a riot. Stupidstudent (talk) 17:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

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