Talk:36th (Ulster) Division

Divisional Symbol
the red hand of Ulster is the wrong way round, check the link at the bottom of article *The British Army in the Great War: The 36th (Ulster) Division The British Army in the Great War: The 36th (Ulster) Division. Could some1 please change it? 05.39 July 1, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.128.29.93 (talk) 04:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The red hand of Ulster is the wrong way round. The thumb should be on the right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.112.171 (talk • contribs) 18:08, April 4, 2006 UTC (UTC)

This is wrong the 36th Ulster division used a left hand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.128.29.93 (talk) 02:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Royal Irish Rangers seems unequivocal. It should be a right hand - not a left hand - like the Counties of Northern Ireland. See also Red Hand of Ulster. I have turned it around. - Kittybrewster 22:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Victoria Crosses

In the list of Victoria Crosses is listed as:

Private Robert Morrow, 1st Btn Royal Irish Fusiliers. Died 23 years old, April 26th 1915, Battle of Messines.

I think this is in error:

1) In 1915 the 1st Battalion of the Royal Irish Fusiliers wasn't part of the 36th (Ulster) Division. 2) The Battle of Messines was in June 1917. 3) Cyril Falls book, The History of the 36th Ulster Division shows no mention of Pte Morrow (see pages 313 - 316: Appendix 2, Victoria Cross sub-section)

In short I don't think that Pte Morrow was a member of the 36th (Ulster) Division.

Would be interested to hear, if otherwise.

Regards The confusion is because of the use of the term 36th Ulster Division. People come and change things because of the politics, which should be avoided as it clouds history and sacrifice of many. Robert Morrow died in the First Battle of Messines or just after. Generally if you want to be specific, The UVF, as the 36th Ulster Division didn't enter France until Oct 1915. The troops that went before were our TA (mostly), and before that our Regulars. Our fighting force was nearly exhausted when the PAL army idea came about.

Jonnie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.202.134 (talk) 22:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup Needed
The second section of this page is very poorly written and contains some enthusiastic but mistaken statements. I'll try to give it a bit of cleanup shortly, but it is, for instance, incorrect to say that the 36th did not receive training( BILLY ..... I meant the 36th as a unit was not formed of men, who were then trained to work together. It was formed of men who had already been trained and armed) It spent most of its time in France during 1915 training, either in small groups or as a whole (In July 1915 the Ulster Division moved to England to recieve its Artillery. Lord Kitchener inspected it on the 20th July at Seaford and in early Sep it moved to Bordon and Bramshott where it was declared ready for service). The British Army simply would not send troops into combat without training, especially by 1916, when they had been fighting in the trenches for some time and begun adapting and creating new trench warfare tactics. Winterbadger (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC) Billy ... I can only speak for my own experience Winter, by 1916 we had virtually no army (trained) hence the expression "PAL Brigades". The training you are refering to is drill training I believe but I will check and detail my information.

Hello, My name is Billy. I have put most of the information within this section. I appologise for typing, spelling, and grammer issues. I have detailed the information as much as I can for now. But will continue to improve on the specifics. Some information is edited incorrectly though by others. I hope to include more information on the 16th Irish and introduce little known information ie ..... When William Frederick McFadzean so valiently gave his life, there was only 1 other man injured. But history remembers none. I wish to get rid of the myth of Lucky Irish or Ulsterman doing a dash across no-mans land and doing ok in a fight. I hope to show that men spilled their blood so a country could be recognised.

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VC Recipients
The ninth recipient of the VC appears to be Cecil Knox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Leonard_Knox).

See the headstone at https://www.flickr.com/photos/22325773@N02/15066407755

Robert Morrow served in the 1st Battalion RIF, which appears to have been in the 4th Division until 1917 (Morrow died in 1915). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Fusiliers and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Infantry_Division_(United_Kingdom) Cathalwoods (talk) 06:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)