Talk:39th Infantry Regiment (United States)

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I am the g-g-g grandson of Col. John Williams who recruited, trained, and led this unit into battle at Horseshoe Bend in 1814. Col. Williams' unit was supposed to go to New Orleans where he was suggested to replace General Flournoy as Commander of the 7th Military District. News of the plight of General Jackson (starving and down to 70 men) reached Knoxville and Col. Williams' brother and brother-in-law and another local citizen went through the wilds of northern Alabama to ascertain the truth. Hugh Lawson White confirmed in his Memoirs that they were indeed "eating roots and acorns." Though it took them all night to convince him to disobey his orders he headed the 39th toward Ft. Strother; he received a second set of orders while enroute from General Pinckney who had somewhat resented his year-earlier incursion with the East Tennessee Volunteers into Georgia and Florida. Col. Williams joined with General Jackson at Ft. Strother on February 6, 1814. His Regiment of regulars gave Jackson the supplies and means of enforcing military discipline that led to the formation of a 3,000+ army that marched to Horseshoe Bend. Col. Williams himself led the charge upon the Creek barricade and the 39th's hand-to-hand combat established a beach head on the other side. With their escape cut off at the river by friendly Cherokee under Gen. Coffee and Col. Gideon Morgan, the Creeks were slaughtered. Militarily it broke the backs of virtually the only remaining strong Indian tribe (Seminoles came later with less force)and eventually allowed the acquision of over two million plus acres of the best unsettled land left east of the Mississippi River. It led to the removal of all Indian tribes east of the river in 1838. Write me if you need references, please, and thanks for keeping this significant and much forgotten unit remembered. (Afb37206 (talk) 14:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC))

Merge
I am not sure if this merge is right, but it seems that the two regiments are the same. Even if it went defunct for a while, shouldn't there only be one article? Cmcnicoll (talk) 06:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I am of two minds about this. In the apparently "official" history of the 20th century incarnation of the regiment, no mention is made of the early 19th century 39th regiment, which suggests that the Army doesn't consider them the same. I will admit to being somewhat partial to the idea of them being the same, however. This is for wholly personal reasons, as I was a member of the regiment's 2d Battalion when it was at Ft. Lewis in the mid 1970's, and fell in love with the history of the unit. Having the 39th's history go all the way back to the war of 1812 and being an important contribution to that war warms my heart. But is it justifiable? I will try to find out if we can make the merge legitimate. Mike (talk) 17:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I would be very reluctant to merge these two. None of the contemporary 39th Infantry Regiment histories links the unit back to the organization on this page, and I'm pretty sure the apparent relationship is merely a historical coincidence. I was with the 1st Battalion of the 39th Infantry in the mid-late 1980s and our battle honors on the regimental standard went back only to WWI. That means we can be virtually certain that the people responsible for military history and heraldry see no tie between the two units. mginn220.253.75.46 (talk) 23:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

39th United States Infantry should be merged with 7th Infantry Regiment (United States), not here. In 1815, all the regiments that fought in the War of 1812 were consolidated and renumbered. The old 8th, 24th and 39th became the new 7th, and the Army traces their lineage and battle honors that way. See 3rd United States Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard), which claims to be the oldest Regular Army regiment because it absorbed the old 1st Infantry. Rklear (talk) 15:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a short section to this article to mention the two previous 39th Infantries. (There was one right after the Civil War, too. It became the 25th Infantry Regiment (United States), one of the buffalo soldier regiments.) Rklear (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe the consensus on this merge is that it should not happen. The regiments are as separate as Ensenada, California and Ensenada, Mexico, and merging the two articles is contraindicated. Let's remove the Merger flag. If no objections I shall do so in a few days, or else someone else can. Mike (talk) 02:55, 6 February 2009 (UTC) - Done Mike (talk) 07:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Cadre update
I went ahead and updated the CSM of the battalion as CSM Christian is no longer the battalion commander at 2/39th. AAA-O Tokyosmash (talk) 03:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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