Talk:42 (dominoes)

Variations
My mother's family, orginally from Cisco TX, play a variation of the game called "84", using two sets of dominoes. Play usually consists of six to eight players. Betting nello is called "pistol". - Loadmaster 18:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I added some information on splash and plunge. I usually found that plunging was the fastest way to lose a game. Agcorry00 04:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

A lot of Okie families that migrated to California in the 40s play Shoot the Moon. I have run into it quite a bit. So I added the rules. --L.A.F. 20:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

6, 5, 8, 9
I have never seen Sixes, Fives, Eights, or Nines. Where was the source that said this? 108.66.232.14 (talk) 03:13, 14 February 2017 (UTC) Ya, me neither. 7's are bad enough. But at least I heard of em.

Roberson 2000 citations
Tuckerresearch kindly added some specific citations for two challenged claims. I've merged them into a single reused citation. However, it would be even better to have specific pages for the two claims. Could someone with access to the book either add them, or note them here? (I'll happily integrate them.) Furthermore, if someone with the book can spare the time to add more citations to the article as a whole. In a perfect world, every single claim in the article would be cited to a reliable third-party source. — Alan De Smet | Talk 06:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming Trump Suit
(I am new to Wikipedia editing, so sorry if this is not exactly right procedure. Hopefully this item can be responded to and removed anyway.) The article states: "The winner of the trick (whomever plays the highest value domino earns that trick) takes all of the played dominoes from that round (the "trick") into their possession and gets to play first on the next hand (which also allows them to call the trump for that hand, conveying a significant advantage)."

Ummm, wow. This is the only place I have heard of such a re-naming of trump. I have looked at other rules, I have looked at YouTube videos, I have looked the game up in general rules-of-games book like Hoyle Encyclopedia. I don't think this idea is correct. I don't think anyone plays this way. This "rule" suggests that if my opponents bid highest, then name fours (for example) as their trump, if I take a trick, I can then name a different trump, and we'll play my new trump suit until I lose a trick?!? I think this is simply wrong and needs to be removed. Please do a little research. Here's one starting point: http://texas42.net/ or just use Google. I don't think you will find anywhere else that is suggesting trump gets renamed in the middle of a 7-trick round.

Perhaps whoever wrote this is confused with the concept of the person who took the last trick gets to make the next "lead" (the high end of that tile being the suit that must be followed, if possible). That is an advantage in itself, but anyone who doesn't have that led suit can still trump (with the suit that was named by the high bidder at the beginning of the round). Or perhaps whoever wrote this is just using the wrong term in saying "which allows them to call trump for that hand". That's just confusing. The suit that is led is the suit that must be followed, but it's not "trump for that hand" (trick) - that suit can still be trumped (if a player has none) and there's only one trump suit for the entire 7-trick (7-hand) round. That is consistent with the card games on which Texas 42 is based such as bridge and pitch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.240.13.129 (talk) 16:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Anectodal also : that's BS. Once trump is named it doesn't change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AB06:2F00:61A6:9AAE:BF20:4B44 (talk) 05:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

What's a "suit"?
I'm a bridge player, so I understand words like trump/suit/trick in terms of cards but dominoes don't have Clubs/Diamonds/Hearts/Spades. What it a suit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.16.186 (talk) 16:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

In 42, the suit is one side of the domino. So a 6/1 can be a high 1 or a low 6. This adds a layer of complexity not found in card games. The value of a hand depends entirely on which suits are played when. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.158.8 (talk) 22:30, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, the high count determines what suit it is when its led (for non-trumps). So if the 6-1 is lead (and one is not trump), then it counts as a 6 for that trick. I.e. if you have any (non-trump) 6 you must follow suit. If 4's are trump then anything with a 4 on it is a trump for that hand (and NOT part of any other suit), regardless or when it's played or led.

So, to clarify the preceding statement, if fours are trump and you hold the 6-4 and the 6-blank, you MUST follow suit with the 6-blank (the 6-4 being considered a trump for that round and therefore not a member of the sixes suit).

Note also that doubles (treated as a suit unto itself) as well as no-trump (generally termed "follow my lead") are also "suits" that can be named by the player winning the bidding auction.

Off topic chat
PC gone mad! They also forgot that some religions do forbid dominoes, as well as forgetting that the 5-5 and 6-4 equal 10, which is also on a deck of cards. 108.66.234.158 (talk) 23:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and also, 42 is technically a form of gambling, as it contains bids and trumps. 108.66.234.158 (talk) 23:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the article's topic. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:24, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Disputed IP edits
While the discussion regarding your edits is on-going, I am reverting all of your edits as unsourced. Please find a consensus for the changes before restoring them. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 00:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Nel-O
If you are wanting to go Nel-O, first bid at least one mark, then if you win the bid, say Nel-O when I ask for the trump. 108.66.233.174 (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Moon
Moon is the only real variation, the others are just mere additions to 42. 108.66.233.174 (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Other variations
Nel-O, Plunge, and Sevens are the only real ones; the others are just ways to change how the pile looks. 108.66.233.174 (talk) 22:21, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Playing for points (Instead of Marks)
I've read about this in books. And on the internet. But never seen it IRL. Please tell me if you have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AB06:2F00:61A6:9AAE:BF20:4B44 (talk) 04:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Bonfire
I've never seen "Bonfire" being used to count marks in 42. Where's the source that says this? 108.66.232.14 (talk) 03:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

"Outlawed games"/"Other local rule variations"
Yes, Lechner Hall at Texas A&M "outlawed" some variations. Yes, John McLeod and Lechner Hall have variations. These are trivial. My grandfather had his own variations of card games and my Master's psych class had its own variation of 8 ball. Those aren't notable either. There are countless trivial variants of pretty much any game you can think of: Monopoly, hangman, hide and seek, etc. Any of their articles can become a dumping group for an indiscriminate collection of such variants. None of them should be. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 04:50, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Follow Me
Would "follow me" be considered a variation? 108.71.122.17 (talk) 17:53, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you would like to add it as a variation, you will need to cite a reliable source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Technically, even the most minor edits possible (such as adding a space to an article) will require citing a reliable, verifiable source. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 21:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that theory.
 * Given your extensive history, if you would like to add content, you will need to cite a reliable source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:56, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

That's just a country way of saying "No Trump" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AB06:2F00:61A6:9AAE:BF20:4B44 (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Splash
Splash should come after Plunge, because it is almost always paired with plunge. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 20:11, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * According to who? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:BRD
When you Boldly make a change to an article and you are Reverted by another editor, it is time to Discuss the issue. Merely making the change again solves nothing and is a good way to start an edit war. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

3-2
The 3-2 is actually called the trey-deuce, not the two-three. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 20:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Source? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:57, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * A 3 is called a trey, and a 2 is called a deuce. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source saying people call it "the trey-deuce" and people do not call it the "two-three"? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:58, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Seriously. See Trey and Deuce. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 23:57, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This does not show that people call the 3-2 the "trey-deuce" and do not call it the "two-three". - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying is, here on Wikipedia, we call the 3-2 the two-three? 108.71.121.102 (talk) 02:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I am saying, as I have repeatedly said, because of your history you will need to cite a reliable source to add material. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:55, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Read the terminology section; it tells you the names for 0s, 1s, 2s, and 3s. 108.71.121.183 (talk) 16:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If it is merely combining two terms already explained, there is no reason to include it, otherwise we would list hundreds of possible combinations. If this particular combination is of special import, you will need a source to include it. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:50, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, where's the source for the nicknames of the 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, and 6-3? 108.71.121.183 (talk) 17:32, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Those were not, to my knowledge, added by an editor with your extensive history. I did not challenge them. If you doubt one or more of them are correct, say so. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:50, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, does this mean that even adding a space to an article will require citing a reliable, verifiable source? 108.71.121.183 (talk) 16:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Any change to meaning that you make will require a reliable source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:50, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The big game
Isn't the 8-7 a fifteen-count? 108.71.122.17 (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Source? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:58, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Math. Eight plus seven is fifteen. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Presumably there is some reason you want to say that 8-7 is "a fifteen-count". If so, we'll need a source to add anything. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 23:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Seriously, 8 + 7 = 15. That's the source. 108.71.122.17 (talk) 23:58, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, 8 + 7 = 15. It does not follow that 8-7 is called "a fifteen-count". - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * So the 8-7 does not count towards the score. 108.71.121.102 (talk) 02:36, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Because of your history, you will need to cite a reliable source to add material. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:56, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The 8-7 doesn't count because it doesn't follow. 108.71.121.183 (talk) 16:06, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you would like to make a change to the content/meaning of the article, please explain what you would like to change and provide a reliable source for the change. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)