Talk:45th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (United States)

Content Question
RTO Trainer (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC) Is there a source for standard practices? Perhaps heraldry info should be added to them.
 * Generally people on Wikipedia frown on that because it's generally considered trivial information. I have thought it would go well on Brigade Insignia of the United States Army, and make that page more useful. But it's a lot of work and I haven't been involved in that yet. — Ed! (talk) 14:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest that this is an indication of a civil-military divide. We don't see our heraldic devices and their background as trivial. Ah, well. RTO Trainer (talk) 01:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's very frustrating that nonmilitary types don't share the same values. Believe me, I haven't been a fan of it either, especially given the tendency to also regard soldiers' military decorations as trivial, too. But, it's a discussion that could be opened on the military history project page. — Ed! (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Katrina
no mention of the unit dishonoring itself by violating the constition and there oath, by kicking in doors during katrina.Brian in denver (talk) 17:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Youtube isn't a reliable source. You'll need something more reputable. — Ed! (talk) 20:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I see, actuall news reports, and eye witness statments, are false because there posted to youtube. Brian in denver (talk) 17:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll want to read WP:HQRS for Wikipedia's policy on what constitutes a reliable source. The video's references are links to sites run by Alex Jones, who has a rather poor reputation for producing the kind of unbiased, reliable, well-researched references Wikipedia requires. Now, if you can find a reliable book or a reputable news outlet as a source to back up these ideas, that might be a different thing. Otherwise the allegations you're noting run afoul of WP:FRINGE. — Ed! (talk) 18:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I see, so truth is not truth if certain people state it. the violation of the 4th amendment by the leos and gardsmen is well documented. including post katrina cort cases brought by the NRA. why deny it? verbal orders are impossible to verify unless cought on tape. and eye wittness testemony always boiles down to- he said she said. thats how cockroaches operate in the dark. funny you dont see unit members denying the acusation! Brian in denver (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what the detail is, it needs to be reliably sourced. He said/she said hearsay is exactly why WP:V exists. It makes all of the difference who's saying it, too. In Wikipedia's eyes, any allegation needs to be backed up by neutral, independent, secondary sources. In this case, the only references to back up these allegations come from someone with a self-expressed non-neutral point of view. There is thorough coverage of Hurricane Katrina done by a wide variety of impartial historians, journalists, and other reputable sources. Any kind of controversial material such as this needs impartial, reliable sourcing to be included, it's one of Wikipedia's basic tenants. — Ed! (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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