Talk:4th of August Party

Junta coup partially based on "threat of fascism"?
I remember reading something a high-ranking member of the Junta (though I can't remember who it was) saying something along the lines of "If we hadn't come into power, the fascists would have taken over" which is likely a reference to the 4th of August Party since it is a fact that anti-4th of August Party Junta officials regarded the party as "fascistic" (as noted in the article) and that the 4th of August Party had mass appeal at the time of the coup. Has anyone else heard of this statement? If someone can provide an exact quote and a source for it, it would be a great addition to the article's section on the party's relations with the Junta -- especially since the political oppression of nationalists by the Junta is a very obscure topic. Since, traditionally, people have claimed that the Junta's declared primary reason for the coup was the threat of communism, it is very interesting that the Junta (or at least parts of it) viewed radical nationalism as much of a threat as communism. I don't know how much of a factor the 4th of August Party (and/or other revolutionary nationalist groups) were as a pretext for the coup, but it is an intriguing subject to research. Critias (talk) 07:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Unreliable sources
Vaggelis Haniotis and www.e-grammes.gr are self-published sources of the far-right wing. They cannot be considered reliable sources.--Dipa1965 (talk) 12:27, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The sources aren't unreliable in this context (WP:CONTEXTMATTERS), e.g describing the history of the party. It would've been unreliable, for example, in the context of stating that the party isn't far-right (which it is). I also don't see anything far-right in the content of the information which I reverted. I wouldn't have reverted your edit if there was such content. Deji Olajide1999 (talk) 19:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Deji Olajide1999, lets' talk on the content then, although these sources are so far from being called independed (I think this is quite important for articles on political parties). Even in the case one would not be able to read these Greek-speaking "sources", he could not miss here in this article:
 * The (ridiculously false) statements on the popularity of the party (section "The party's height: 1965–1967"). The party was a political failure: They never managed to gather a remarkable number of members.
 * The completely false impression that Junta had suppressed this party (on the contrary its leader has stated that he was a paid collaborator of Junta) and imprisoned its members (!!!)
 * The completely false impression that, after the fall of junta, the democratic governments suppressed 4th of August for no apparent reason. Actually, the party died due to lack of members and financial support.--Dipa1965 (talk) 20:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

The Greek article on party leader, Κωνσταντίνος Πλεύρης has a good deal of referenced information on "4th July" activity before 1974.--Dipa1965 (talk) 20:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm convinced. I never checked the Greek article on him. However, I believe that the "history" section is vital to the article (its basically the only section in it) and should exist. Nevertheless, the false statements which you mentioned will be completely removed. Deji Olajide1999 (talk) 23:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)