Talk:5-hour Energy/Archives/2015

Location Of The Company
The article says, "5-hour Energy (stylized as 5-hour ENERGY) is a flavored "energy shot" brand made by Living Essentials in Wabash, Indiana, whose parent firm is Innovation Ventures in Farmington Hills, Michigan.[1]"

The company clearly lists its mailing address at http://www.5hourenergy.com/contactus.asp as: Mailing Address: Living Essentials, LLC 38955 Hills Tech Dr. Farmington Hills, MI 48331

The reference article [1] talks about a parent company and other companies; however, the address of the company is still in Farmington Hills, MI. Qewr4231 (talk) 01:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Who Owns 5 Hour Energy
Manoj Bhargava

Notability
It seems notable enough to me. It is a nationally (at least) sold energy beverage. I came to Wikipedia because I wanted information on the health aspects of the drink. There could certainly be more information about the drink here, but I don't think notability should be an issue. JoshDuffMan (talk) 13:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, the claims in this commercial are too good to be true. Perhaps listing the individual health risks of the ingredients in the form of "Caffeine is known to cause the following health problems.." for each of the ingredients would be appropriate. However, I do not believe this would meet wikipedia standards unless the health risks were cited off site and not citing other articles on this site. Wolvenmoon (talk) 05:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleted 2nd external link. Link was not to impartial review; rather to sales page for competing product.

Reads like an advertisement
Does it really have to be noted that the drink is sold in gas stations? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.208.20 (talk) 13:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, on top of that, this article needs NPOV, and the "recommended use" section just reads like directions. Sorry I don't know enough about this stuff, but I didn't learn much visiting this page that I couldn't get from the TV commercials. --MMX (talk) 06:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Triple agree (is there such a thing?). This is reads like an endorsement or the back of the box. This is definitely more of an advertisement than and sort of useful information. I'm not learning anything that I couldn't by visiting their website which is featured twice on the page. There should be sections about health, side effects, any clinical studies, etc. --Seaneee 07:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seaneee (talk • contribs)

Is it safe and effective?
There should be a section on this from independent sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowicide (talk • contribs) 23:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

The reference (Dahl, Melissa (February 12, 2009). "Zip! 5-hour Energy packs a punch". =msnbc. Retrieved March 29, 2010.) used to support the idea "it remains that the drink is relatively safe in moderation" does NOT seem to do so. It is some kind of placeholder page that consists mostly of comments. It doesn't provide any material upon which that medical opinion can be reliably based. It has no place in this article, unless the article is supposed to be an advertisement. Krioni (talk) 19:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

The paragraph about the patient having seizures seems in danger of misleading to me. I don't like 5-Hour Energy, but the addition of that paragraph almost seems like fear-mongering to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.134.130 (talk) 02:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

"Too much" vitamin B
It should be worth noting in this article that Vitamin B is water-soluble, so extraneous amounts your body does not use is just flushed out with the urine. Huge, huge amounts will be around long enough to possibly cause health problems, but even the large %'s in this drink will not be a problem.

As for the health effects, the outside articles DO mention different things about different vitamins. For instance, read the Baltimore Sun article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.218.254 (talk) 21:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The enormous amount of B12 is definitely mostly harmless do to this. The amount of B3 could cause flushing, but it is unlikely.


 * The amount of B6 is the most concerning. Too much B6 in the form of pyridoxine can cause irreversible nerve damage.  Several different agencies define what is the safe upper limit differently.  A group in the UK  defined it as low as 10mg/day, 5-hour energy has four times that amount.  In the EU, it was 25mg/day, with 50mg/day being considered dangerous.  In the US, it is 100mg/day by the FDA.  Earlier studies showed NOAEL up to 150mg/day, but there was evidence that this amount of consumption could make the subject more susceptible to damage the longer the dosage was maintained.  Here is the report where I got most of this information, it also explains how the safe upper limits were defined. www.crnusa.org/safetypdfs/011CRNSafetyvitaminB6.pdf


 * I think there should be a note made on B6 in particular as it is not unimaginable that someone would take more than one 5-hour Energy a day, which would put them near or over the FDA's SUL. They could also already be on some form of B6 supplement.  RookwoodX (talk) 16:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Reception
""Because the product does not contain anything that creates caloric energy[citation needed], many consumers believe that the insinuated effects advertised by Living Essentials are nothing more than placebo. ""

I don't see how that comment is relevant ^. There is no evidence to support that because these products contain low caloric energy they produce low amounts of energy in the human body. This might mislead readers. Also, consider amphetamines, which have virtually no calories, but are some of the most powerful stimulants available today. Madman91 (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I totally agree, it's not a stretch to realize that caffeine alone (in the drink) give a stimulant effect without caloric intake, not to mention the drink contains two chemical precursors to Dopamine and Norepinephrine. If consumers really do believe this, there needs to be citation. Removed! 98.203.237.248 (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Does it work
We need a section on weather or not this definitively works for EVERY HUMAN or does not work AT aLL FOR ANY human — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.31.29 (talk) 16:17, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do we? ~ Josh "Duff Man" (talk) 01:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I do think that we should include something about whether or not it can be expected to work. Lots of Wikipedia articles have at least one or two sentences stating whether or not something is backed up by any evidence, scientific or otherwise. Think about it. Why else would anybody even bother reading this page? I don't mean to sound mean, but let's be realistic: nobody genuinely cares about the history of something like this, so I imagine most people reading this page are probably doing so because they want to know if science has either proved or disproved the effects yet, and they figure Wikipedia will tell them what the facts are leaning towards. If there is no definitive answer right now, then perhaps we should have a sentence stating so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.31.146.137 (talk) 05:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
The issue of deletion should be revisited. The quoted research is provided by the vendor, the graphic image shown is trademarked and not a creative commons licensed, the active ingrediant is caffine (according to the bottle) and that is not highlighted, and the whole thing reads as an advertisement. It's obvious this was created by people related to promoting the product and it's here for SEO purposes. The graphic is a big giveaway; remove that since it is a brand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgbarrett (talk • contribs) 20:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * There are many other pages that display trademarked logos on articles that are about those products, such as Monster Energy and Red Bull.
 * What part of this page do you think reads like an advertisement? It doesn't read too much like a promotional piece to me, though I'm sure parts of it could be improved.
 * If you follow the citation for the active ingredients, you can see the information yourself. Do you have another reliable source for the ingredient list? ~ Josh "Duff Man" (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The only real active ingredient is caffeine, of course.--Milowent • hasspoken 16:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I added some information that was deleted. I would be interested in added the sections above, such as DOES IT WORK, IS IT SAFE, B VITAMINS, ETC. Can someone advise me on adding information so that we don't have a seesaw of someone not liking and deleting. I want to add credible objective information to this wiki.Melanie Grimes 14:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC) Thanks for your offer of helping. There is a lot of info on vitamin B12 at http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminB12/ and information on CONSUMER REPORTS which I already cited, on a double blind study recently conducted.Melanie Grimes 17:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you want to add, I can help. We'd need to cite to reliable sources on this, and we don't do FAQs or HOW-TO guides. Doctors and nutritionists have been pretty low key about 5-Hour energy, but most seem to agree the only ingredient that does anything to your "energy" is caffeine.  But citing to what experts have said about whether it works, and whether its safe, risk of niacin overdose if too much taken, etc., is all fair game.  The other day my kid was drinking a minutemaid orange drink and referred to it as his "5 hour energy drink."  That's how ridiculously pervasive this product has become.--Milowent • hasspoken  15:06, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Melanie: a lot of your edits seem to be making the article look like a 5-Hour Energy advertisement. Would you be willing to post references to cite here on the talk page, and let other people add the content to the article page, attempting to use a more neutral tone? ~ Josh "Duff Man" (talk) 18:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I was citing information taken from various sites about the nutrients. I am happy to post the citation here but aren't they already clickable on the citations?. I am attempting to write a neutral article with facts. I am generally a positive person and don't like to write negative articles, so perhaps that tone is coming out. I'll work at being more neutral. http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1090-CITICOLINE.aspx?activeIngredientId=1090&activeIngredientName=CITICOLINE http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC548494/?tool=pmcentrez http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminB12/Melanie Grimes 18:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Notable People
Manoj Bhargava is the founder and CEO of 5-Hour Energy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melapatella (talk • contribs) 15:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Any sources to cite? ~ Josh "Duff Man" (talk) 22:09, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Here is a citation. O'Connor, Clare. "The Mystery Monk Making Billions With 5-Hour Energy". Forbes. Retrieved Feb 8, 2012.Melanie Grimes 19:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melapatella (talk • contribs)

Editing help needed.
Can someone help me with a formatting edit? I want to add a line about notable people to this website and when I add it in the box on right, it doesn't show up.

Melanie Grimes 15:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melapatella (talk • contribs)
 * The Infobox beverage template does not have a parameter for that sort of information. Also: you can add a signature to your talk page messages automatically by adding four tildes before submitting, like so: ' :-) ~ JoshDuffMan''' (talk) 21:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Josh! Really appreciate your help. 98.209.21.32 (talk) 15:39, 19 September 2012 (UTC)