Talk:50 Words for Snow

Calm Down
Everyone should just calm down and wait for more information. Presumably she wrote all the music as usual, but the page looks really messy with "citation needed" tags all over it, so let's just wait and add things as we know them. I don't actually feel this album should be listed on her discographies yet, as a discography is a record of things which actually exist, but I know better than to expect people to leave it off (we've been removing "TBA" for weeks now), but it would be nice if this page got off to a clean start and didn't need constant maintenance before the album's even out. And even though she's announced the release date, we should keep in mind her past need to postpone things and be cautious. Show of hands? Anyone?--TEHodson 01:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree. I added the tag because I could see no confirmation of her authorship. (And after all, Director's Cut had one track which was not credited solely to her !) -- Beardo (talk) 16:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Exactly. We have no idea what she's got up her sleeve (which is half the fun).--TEHodson 20:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I do agree about not adding any of the information until it's been officially announced but I do think the album should be listed in the discography once the artist has officially announced its forthcoming release. --Duphin (talk) 22:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know if you were around during the years of waiting for The Red Shoes, but if we had done that then, it would have been hanging around on the discography for more than 2 years before the album finally came out. We waited for Hounds of Love for more than a year after the announcement, so I've learnt caution when it comes to her release dates. As I said, I know better than to try to win that particular contest so I'm not even trying, but it's not usual to put on lists things that haven't yet come out, whether books or records. In any case, I'm glad of the support to keep this page clean and accurate while we wait. Once the album comes out, managing this page is going to be a challenge! And her main page, too.--TEHodson 22:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No i was just 4 when the red shoes was released lol. I understand what you're saying but i meant once the artist has given a release date not just announced that they are working on an album lol. Either way you are right :) I just want the album now LOL --Duphin (talk) 13:51, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So do I; I'm looking forward to it eagerly. I'm happy to see young people discovering her. She and I are the same age (I'm three days older) and I bought The Kick Inside in 1978 because I was pregnant and was intrigued by the album title. It was so exciting to hear her for the first time. I made everyone watch her on Saturday Night Live and while few of my friends liked her then (they found her too strange), they came to appreciate her later. I was thrilled, however, and have been ever since.--TEHodson 14:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Wild Man title
Up until a couple of days ago, this song was listed as one word: Wildman, but was just changed on her website, apparently, but is still being listed as a single word on Amazon (and probably iTunes). Let's leave it as two words for now, and fix it if necessary when the album comes out and we see it written there.--TEHodson 09:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I find it a bit messy to have the (feat. Stephen Fry) bit on the title track. We don't usually list guests on each track, as that would become incredibly unwieldy and messy very quickly (imagine The Red Shoes track list). I vote we take that off. If no one objects, I'll remove it tomorrow.--TEHodson 09:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Guest artists
We have never before listed guest artists on Kate's albums track by track--imagine the mess each song list would be if we did that; there is usually at least one guest artist of note on each song, sometimes more (on virtually every album after the first two). What are the reasons for doing so here? In my opinion it looks really messy and is redundant, as we've already mentioned that these artists will be appearing on the album. When the album is out we can expand on each artist's contribution in the body of the text, and I'm sure some songs will end up with their own pages in the usual way. Trying to keep Kate's articles tidy and not filled with trivia is worth it--it keeps them from looking like fan-site pages. What do other editors think?--TEHodson 22:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

News sheet or encyclopedia?
When putting in information such as today's playing of the first single Wild Man, are we writing what belongs in an encyclopedia or on a news page? I'm not sure this stuff should be in the article--it's the sort of update you find on her fan sites. It will definitely have to come out once the album page is written properly, but should we be doing it at all? At least consider this question as you continue with updates. I stayed up to listen to the first broadcast of the song, but it would never have occurred to me to announce it here. What do others think?--TEHodson 12:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Source of title
The title of this album comes from the urban myth that Eskimo (Inuit) people have 50 words for snow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow  Terzagheek (talk) 05:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Albert vs. Bertie
Despite the fact that Kate always calls her son Bertie, here we have to stick to the proper name, Albert.--TEHodson 21:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Metacritic updates
Please note that when you update Metacritic info here, you need to also do it on her main page. Just copy and paste the new paragraph into the Kate Bush article where the current one already is. It's easy. Thanks.--TEHodson 04:29, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Snowed in at Wheeler Street
Just to check with other people, the "in at" in Snowed in at Wheeler Street is supposed to be written in lower case, yes? It may not be written like that on the back of the physical CD itself, but surely on Wikipedia we ignore this and use the proper grammar. We've entitled the article 50 Words for Snow ("for" with a lower case f) unlike the upper case F on the album cover itself. On other aritcles, we always write connective words in lower case, so whoever decided to report my changes as vandalism... grow up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.90.178 (talk) 15:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * A while ago someone came onto the page and explained, grammatically, why the I should be captialized--has to do with the phrase "Snowed In" as apposed to "in the snow"--so since then I've tried to follow that rule. I believe he was correct, but then he quit trying to keep it proper and disappeared. It may not be worth the trouble.--TEHodson 21:14, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. In this case, "in" is an adverb as in "Snowed In", according to Wikipedia guidelines which gives the similar example "Give Up the Ghost", it must be capitalised. So I am going to change it. Hunter contributor (talk) 12:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

But even so, it's a contradiction to other Wikipedia articles. Not to mention the album's title itself. We can't write "in" with a capital letter and write "for" in lower case. It's just not consistent. The song doesn't include the phrase "in the snow" - it's "in at" - which regardless of any surrounding words, equates to nothing more than lower case text. I suppose it depends on how you pronounce the song - if you say it "Snowed IN at Wheeler Street with extra emphasis on the "in". But universally, it's a connective phrase and therefore must be written and kept in lower case. Like I said, most of the reviews seem to agree with me along with the iTunes store itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.84.91 (talk) 17:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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