Talk:657 Gunlöd

move all (adding diacritics). Andrewa 03:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Suggested moves to add diacritics
From Requested moves:


 * 657 Gunlod → 657 Gunlöd, 751 Faina → 751 Faïna, 775 Lumiere → 775 Lumière – the correct names have diacritics.--Jyril 12:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

These all seem to have been done and reverted once before. I have left a question at User talk:Geni, as they seem to have been involved in the previous move and reversion. Andrewa 19:21, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Note that the user who moved the above-mentioned articles also moved the following others, which should be included in this move request, unless there's some compelling reason not to, that I've overlooked:
 * 877 Walküre => 877 Walkure
 * 859 Bouzaréah => 859 Bouzareah
 * 858 El Djezaïr => 858 El Djezair
 * 748 Simeïsa => 748 Simeisa
 * 726 Joëlla => 726 Joella
 * 707 Steïna => 707 Steina
 * 703 Noëmi => 703 Noemi
 * (46610 Bésixdouze was also moved to 46610 Besixdouze, but both now redirect to The Little Prince.)
 * --Stemonitis 16:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point. Yes, IMO we should regard reversing those other moves, and reinserting the diacritics, as also covered by this request unless there is opposition to this. Andrewa 19:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

See Naming conventions of course. ISTM that the question is: In English, are these names most commonly used with or without diacritics? But there are other considerations that might also favour the use of the diacritics. Google is not a lot of help, as many of the files there are ASCII or show signs of having been translated from ASCII, which doesn't support the diacritics, so of course they aren't there. Andrewa 23:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no discussion of the moves that removed the diacritics on either the talk pages with or without diacritics, in fact none of them contained anything at all. I have now left a comment with a pointer to this talk page at the various talk pages (without diacritics).

There may be discussion of this archived somewhere, but it doesn't seem to have found its way into the policy or guideline pages. This means that even if it exists it will be hard to find, and probably didn't reach consensus anyway. Andrewa 23:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * IAU, who oversees the naming of astronomical objects and planetary surface features, has the following rule (emphasis mine):
 * 9. When more than one spelling of a name is extant, the spelling preferred by the person, or used in an authoritative reference, should be used. Diacritical marks are a necessary part of a name and will be used.
 * Diacritics are usually dropped from asteroid names only because of technical reasons (that's why the MPC doesn't use them). Creating redirects for names without diacritics should solve the problem the diacritics may cause. I don't see any good reason why we shouldn't use them.--Jyril 00:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure, let's move them. - Haukur 00:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The IAU statement sounds like good grounds to me. The only question I still have is, why were the diacritics removed? No reponse yet from the admin who did it. I'm happy to use the argument from silence that there is now no objection, whatever the past reasoning may have been. Andrewa 01:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * This should also become a proposed guideline. I'll see to that if nobody else beats me to it. Andrewa 21:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Moving articles now - to answer andrew the reason is because the bot that did so went awry by using copy n' paste moves. At least that's what I gather. WhiteNight T 02:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Aha! That explains it well. Andrewa 21:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Move completed. Quite the request :). WhiteNight T 02:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Business arising
I'll add the IAU recommendation as a proposed naming standards guideline. Andrewa 03:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

First step taken, see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions. Andrewa 04:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

It has been removed, as it does not realy fit into a general guideline. IMHO The best place to decide where to put it is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomical_objects where this subject has been aired before. As this is the project page for Astronomical objects it would seem the best place to put it if it is to be a general rule. It can then be added to the bottom of the WP:RM page as are other projects in specific areas (see WP:RM for examples)--Philip Baird Shearer 00:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine, as long as there is a pointer from the general naming convention to the specific exceptions, so people don't need to reinvent the wheel. You can't expect people to search for a Wikiproject to find out whether there are exceptions to the rules listed on policy or guideline pages, that defeats the whole point of these pages. So, these exceptions must be listed on the policy and guideline pages themselves, in enough detail that they can be found. Andrewa 01:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

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--JeffGBot (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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