Talk:66th (2nd East Lancashire) Division

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Did you mean Serain? Hamish59 (talk) 10:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like a typo - thanks for spotting it. Andrew Gray (talk) 17:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Just realised that I've used –  rather than chevrons for various wikilinks and converters and the rest of the article is in <> references. Apologies but I don't know how to convert them.Keith-264 (talk) 13:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

ref questions
The following references do not correspond to any of the books cited to Edmonds. Are they typos, or are books missing?

Edmonds, 1935 p. 504 Edmonds, 1945, pp. 552–553, 561

Likewise, the following do not have corresponding books:

Carpenter Griffith

Is Gibson, the same as Gibbon?

Kincaid-Smith: looking up the isbn, I was able to [ http://www.amazon.com/25Th-Division-France-Flanders-Kincaid-Smith/dp/1843421232/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460488206&sr=1-1&keywords=isbn+1843421232 find the following]. To confirm, is this the same version? As it states the publication date as 2009 rather than 2010.

Regards, EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorted out a few discrepancies. History of the Great War has the biblio details of the OH series. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 20:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Where there are two Edmonds 1995 citations, one of low numbers and the other of high, I think one is OH 1918 I and the other OH 1918 II. I added 1918 I as harvid|1995a| but I'm not sure which other cites are from it. Keith-264 (talk) 08:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

ORBAT WW1
I've checked over the ORBAT against Becke volume 2 and there are some discrepancies depending on the date. 1914 - Becke's earliest orbat is November 1915 so some supposition that troops listed in 1915 were there from the start
 * Only mounted troops as 66th Divisional Cyclist Company; 2/1 Bedfordshire Yeomanry are probably a later addition.
 * 2/3 East Lancs Field Company are post November 1915 addition.

1917 - this really depends on the date. Becke is June and the differences from the article are:
 * RFA CCCXXXII (2/III East Lancashire) Brigade broken up June 1917
 * RE Add 430 (2/I East Lancashire) Field Company
 * RAVC Add 1/1 East Lancs Mobile Veterinary Section

1918
 * RA No Trench Mortar batteries - both disbanded April 1918 and not reconstituted.
 * RE Add 430 (2/I East Lancashire) Field Company
 * MGC - full title was 100th (Warwickshire & South Nottinghamshire Yeomanry) Battalion MGC
 * RAVC Add 1/1 East Lancs Mobile Veterinary Section

Ref: GOC
 * 6 Nov 14 Br-Gen C E Beckett
 * 14 Nov 15 Maj-Gen C J Blomfield
 * 10 Feb 16 Col C S Gordon Steward (acting)
 * 1 Mar 16 Maj-Gen C J Blomfield
 * 12 Feb 17 Maj-Gen Honorable H A Lawrence
 * 22 Dec 17 Maj-Gen N Malcolm (wounded 29 Mar 18)
 * 29 Mar 18 Br-Gen A J Hunter (acting)
 * 31 Mar 18 Maj-Gen H K Bethell

Ref:

Hope this helps. Nthep (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , thank you very much. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I have not had much time the last few days. If you able, would you be able to make the edits to the article? If not, I will be able to in a few days if you will be able to do a little quality control afterwards to ensure there was no mistakes? Kind regards, EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Updated as asked. Nthep (talk) 18:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, thank you very much for your additions to the article in getting the OOB and GOCs up to scratch! Kind regards, EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Subsequent use of previously attached units


Following the disbandment of the 66th Division, its constituent units were dispersed. The 197th Brigade, with the 257th Field Company RE and 110th (Manchester) Field Regiment RA was assigned to the 59th (Staffordshire) Infantry Division and reformed it as a standard infantry division of three brigades, having been organised as a motorised division. With the 59th Division, the 197th Brigade fought in the Battle of Normandy from July–August 1944 before its battalions were disbanded in August, due to a severe shortage of infantry, to make up combat losses in other divisions. The brigade headquarters was then assigned a number of support units for battlefield clearance duties.

The 198th Brigade was assigned to the 1st London Infantry Division and in December 1940 was then assigned to the 54th (East Anglian) Infantry Division. After the 54th Division was disbanded at the end of 1943, it became an administrative headquarters for line of communications units. The 8th (Irish) Battalion, King's Regiment (Liverpool) and 6th Battalion, Border Regiment were retrained as Beach groups and landed in Normandy on D-Day, 6 June 1944. The 7th Battalion, Border Regiment was later transferred to the 222nd Brigade and, in April 1944, redesignated the 5th Battalion. The 199th Brigade with 109th Field Regiment, RA, was assigned to 55th (West Lancashire) Infantry Division, reforming it as a standard infantry division, and renumbered the 166th Infantry Brigade in August 1944.

The 111th Field Regiment, RA was assigned to the 42nd (East Lancashire) Infantry Division, then to the 50th (Northumbrian) Infantry Division and in 1942 was sent to the Middle East, where it served in the British Eighth Army in Africa, Tunisia, Sicily and Italy. In 1944–45, it was detached to Land Forces Adriatic and operated from Vis on the Croatian coast. The 256th Field Company, Royal Engineers later served with the 78th Battleaxe Infantry Division in Africa and Italy.

I have moved this section here to the talkpage. The information on the brigades being moved around has already been edited into the article, and the information on the RA and RE units will follow. However, the rest appears to be more suited to the various regiment, brigade, and division articles than here. This article should focus on the division, IMO.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:29, 3 May 2016 (UTC)