Talk:7 Up/Archive 1

PepsiCo 7-Up logo change
Anyone know why PepsiCo recently changed the logo in all countries (except the US). They used the same logo as in the US for many years and inn many places (like Poland for instance) the logo change was not popular among people who drink 7Up. The opinion was that it now looks like the blend no tradition wanna be drinks in the new design... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.238.79.35 (talk) 23:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Pomegranate 7-Up
Don't forget pomegranate 7-up
 * Seems like they did : \-- Sexy Kick  20:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

7up has 0.2% alcohol content
Last night (4-7-10) on the Colbert Report they said sprite and 7up have 0.2% alcohol in them. Is this true? Other sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.2.191 (talk) 06:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== It was 0,5% and here is a link to the show (only works in Canada)  ==

Requested move
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7-Up &rarr; 7 Up
7 Up's corporate site spells the drink 7 UP; 7 Up seems a reasonable compromise. &mdash;tregoweth 07:01, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Compromise with what? -- Naive cynic 19:49, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Not much point in this move. Leave it where it is with all the redirects in place.  Add Seven Up and Seven up. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:18, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I always thought it had a dash anyway, and even if it doesnt, the move is pointless.
 * Support - it's a proper name of a brand, there's no need to argue with the producer. Halibutt 20:27, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support - there are 60 ways to spell this. I prefer 7 Up. -- Netoholic @ 23:44, 2005 Jan 6 (UTC)
 * Support. Just as we have 7[-]Up's sister-brand, Dr Pepper.  Peter O. (Talk) 00:29, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support: go with official name Cburnett 07:48, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

If you can type the red dot, in your character set, then there's even more ways of spelling it! 7•UP or 7oUPDaveDodgy (talk) 12:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Light
Here in the UK they seem to have replaced diet 7-up with 7-up light. I'm not a regular drinker, but it seems to me that the new thing is significantly more drinkable than its rather metallic predecessor. Is this just a rebranding (with the taste difference in my mind) or a reformulation? -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 17:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, you're right. The 7up Light is far better than Diet 7up, but still not as good as regular. --X 0 01:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Image
Any chance of someone adding a pic of the can or logo under fair use? (as seen in Dr Pepper and Coca-Cola) -- Lochaber 12:53, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Talk of the videogame
Why don't you add a section about Cool Spot a game create just to advertise 7 Up? 62.101.126.219 (sig added by Cburnett)


 * Why don't you? Cburnett 23:30, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Spokesperson
I was born in the late 70's, but as long as I can remember, 7-up has always used african american spokesmen. From the James Earl Jones-like character of my childhood who referring to caffiene said "Never had it, never will" to the 2000's spokesmen who challenged us to "Make 7, up yours!"

I don't know if there is a story to be told here or not, but maybe someone out there can give us more information about 7 Up's affinity for hiring african american spokesmen. It is something I have always appreciated the company for, though I am not old enough to know how far back the trend goes. --Measure 22:53, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * A related comment - before he achieved more fame, wasn't Orlando Jones a spokesperson for the beverage? If so, this could be noted in the advertising section.

His name is Geoffrey Holder and there's literally a DOZEN ads he did for 7Up. It's just unacceptable this man isn't credited here as one of the most successful ad campaign spokesperons' in the history of consumer products. If you go to his Wiki page, you'll see he's credited as his claim to fame. So why not cross-reference it here? Macshill (talk) 06:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Uncola
The article asserts: In the 1970s, an advertising campaign dubbed 7 Up the "un-cola," playing on the drink's lack of caffeine. As one who remembers that campaign, I'd like to say that it never entered my mind that "uncola" has anything to do with caffeine. Rather, it simply plays on the fact that the flavor is something other than cola. In other words, the two biggest soft drinks (Coke and Pepsi) are colas, but 7 Up is not a cola, it is the un-cola. I'd like to change this part of the text. What do others think?--Keeves 15:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Your personal memory and perception of the campaign does not mean that the company didn't intend that meaning of UNCOLA. That being said, based on the brief history at the DPSU company site, a major "No Caffeine" campaign began in 1982, while the UNCOLA campaign began in 1967, so the line could use some revision to reflect at least the date. Research to find some references to the UNCOLA campaign full intent and meaning is probably in order however. Autiger 00:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

What about "Make Seven. Up Yours"?66.41.66.213 01:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Lime 7up
I definatly remember there being Lime flavoured 7up for a brief period around 1996/97 in Ireland. It was like normal 7up, with a stronger taste of lime. I think there was also raspberry 7up around the same time.

The "7"

The "7"
I have a chemistry text book with a whole page dedicated to 7-up. It says the reason why it's called "7" up is because lithium's atomic mass was known to be about 7 at the time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.3.55.137 (talk • contribs).

Quite. Lithium has the atomic number 3, not 7. You had me worried about my knowledge of elementary chemistry there for a minute... 79.68.143.101 (talk) 03:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * But atomic number isn't the same as atomic mass, which is indeed close to 7 (6.941) ... Lime in the Coconut   20:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Another version for the origin of the name
This website claims that "Coca-Cola came in 6-ounce bottles[...] Seven-Up originally got its name, because it defiantly went one ounce up from Coke." I have no idea whether this is true or not, but it certainly sounds more plausible than the oft-heard pH theory. Itub 23:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Health
Growing up my mom always gave me 7 Up when I had a stomachache. And I know that was the case with other people I know too. If other people agree, maybe a section on 7 Up's usage as a health remedy is in order.


 * It's not really a health "remedy" as it is a stomach-friendly way of getting fluids and glucose into a patient who can't keep any real food down. But yeah, it was almost as ubiquitous during sick times as chicken soup in my house, and might deserve such a mention, but probably not a whole section.  --X 0 01:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * When I was a kid, my mother made the same use of ginger ale. When my own kids were little, I gave them club soda because it had no sugar. My wife's mother apparently depended on Coke. It's not any special properties of 7-Up, it's the carbonation that settles the stomach. --Michael K. Smith 19:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

High Fructose Corn Syrup
The final paragraph discussing HFCS's health implications seems out of place for this article.

7-up is NOT all natural if it contains high fructose corn syrup.

Too much anti-HFCS nonsense

I avoid HFCS as much as the next hypocritical bastard, but the rant about HFCS metabolic processes seems WAY out of place and takes the article out of itself and into the obsessive ramblings of an over zealous HFCS crusader.

Take it out, please!


 * For god's sake, corn syrup is almost pure glucose and adding fructose to it gives it the same basic composition as plain table sugar, sucrose (fructose + glucose). These chemicals aren't "natural" or "artificial", they just exist as combinations of molecules.

Exactly, whether you extract the chemicals from plants, or synthesise them in a lab you're doing the same thing. How on earth can a fizzy drink be natural anyway? Natural 7-up would, I suppose, be a bucket of water with a lemon, a lime and a sugar cane stuck in it.--217.154.33.122 14:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Corn syrup can't be called artificial anyway, I mean, what is CORN if not natural? Does corn come from space all of a sudden? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 04:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Copyright?
Does the 7 Up corporation claim copyright over the red dot? It's their mascot, after all. Can I get sued for posting a picture of a red dot? J I P | Talk 12:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:7up100new.JPG
Does this "artist's interpretation" of the 7 Up can bother anyone else? It's not difficult to a photo of the can to show readers what one really looks like.  howch e  ng   {chat} 23:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Me. I'll move the can to the infobox place. I'll also take a picture of a 7 Up glass bottle and put it in the can's former place (once I both have my camera back and get all the dust off the bottle). &mdash; SheeEttin {T/C} 19:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

benzene
The advertising section contained a note on benzene in soft drinks, which I have removed as it had nothing to do with 7 Up advertising and was also not quite correct: "Unlike most available lemon-lime sodas, 7 Up does not contain the toxic combination of citric acid and sodium benzoate. Citric acid (vitamin C) is fine on its own however, upon combination with Sodium Benzoate, Benzene is formed. Benzene is used as a gasoline additive and is toxic to the human organism." While it is true that 7 Up does not contain sodium benzoate, the concern about the formation of benzene in soft drinks is with regards to the combination of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) (or a related compound, erythorbic acid) and sodium benzoate (a preservative). Also, the level of formation of benzene in the drink, if any, is dependent on the drink's exposure to heat and light.

A relevant citation is here: Benzene production from decarboxylation of benzoic acid in the presence of ascorbic acid and a transition-metal catalyst (Gardner & Lawrence, 1993)

Citric acid and benzoates alone have not been shown to be a problem, although some research suggests that if the initial ascorbic acid and sodium benzoate reaction takes place, citric acid can accelerate the formation of benzene.

It is also not necessarily true that "most" lemon-lime sodas contain the possibly hazardous combination, which has been removed from a great many of the major lemon-lime brands. The best advice is to check the label, but even sodas that have been found to contain benzene should not be a major concern to the average consumer. The levels are far lower than those consumed daily during the course of a normal diet and almost all are within the EPA limits for water contamination.

If you are concerned, simply avoid those sodas containing sodium benzoate (or, less commonly, potassium benzoate) and ascorbic acid (also known as vitamin C). Better yet, stick to water for your thirst needs.

7up Ice
There's another variation here in Ireland called 7up Ice, and there also used to be a fruit-flavoured one I can't remember the name of.--Occono 13:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Bib-Label Lithiated Lemon-Lime
There's ten syllables in that, not seven. 204.69.40.13 17:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I had just noticed this, however I pronounce it, there's definately not 7 syllables. 213.48.15.234 13:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Is it just us un-signed-in users that notice? 80.189.172.110 19:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed it too. I'm taking it out unless somebody wants to explain it. 57.66.65.3 (talk) 09:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

7 up dnL
Why no mention of this? This was an "upside down" spin on 7up, hence dnL. The bottles where clear and the beverage color was green. Anyone remember this from somewhere around 2003?

Name Origin section
The Name Origin section of this article has a lot of shifty grammar in it. Anyone bored with a little free time on thier hands, feel free to clean it up. Me? I'm not that bored.....yet.

Kronos o 22:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Fact check
According to this article, "From the 1960s to the 1990s, 7 Up was billed as "the un-Cola", particularly in a series of ads featuring actor/choreographer Geoffrey Holder. In one commercial, he held a kola nut in one hand and an "un-Cola nut" (a lemon or lime) in the other." Is this true? If so, can we get a reference? - Ta bu shi da yu 08:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Logo
As 7 Up originates in the USA, let's use the current American logo as used by the American owner of the 7 Up brand, the Dr Pepper Snapple Group. There is a variation used outside the USA by the owner of the 7 Up rights outside the USA, PepsiCo. Steelbeard1 (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC) There should be an alternate logo space in the infobox for PepsiCo's 7 Up logo used outside the USA. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the Red Dot
I read somewhere that the red dot came from the fact that the creator of 7 UP had Albinism.--71.90.161.0 (talk) 01:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

2009 brand spelling is 7UP
As of 8 April 2009 the article uses the spelling "7 Up" almost exclusively, but both the brand Web site http://7up.com and the corporate Web site http://dpsu.com spell the brand as "7UP", all capitals and no spaces or hyphens. It appears this way in their copyright statement at the bottom of the pages, in their list of brands, and everywhere else I've been able to find, and their Search finds no occurrences with a space or hyphen. Back in 2005 the "Suggested move" debate (above) was about whether to call the article "7 Up" or "7-Up", with nary a mention of "7UP" so I assume the official spelling has changed over time. I'm not very concerned with renaming the page, but it seems the page contents should be changed to reflect the current official spelling, except in historical references to periods when it had a different official spelling. Thoughts? GCL

I agree. This should be changed.67.188.21.237 (talk) 00:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Why does PepsiCo own 7 Up outside North America?
I had always thought that PepsiCo owned 7 Up, but now I understand that they don't, at least not in North America (which explains why I thought that, as I live in the Caribbean). The History section, however, does not mention ownership by PepsiCo at any time. How did they gain ownership of the brand outside North America? Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 23:07, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * American anti-trust laws prevented Pepsi from acquiring the American rights to 7 Up. This led to Dr Pepper acquiring 7 Up in the U.S. Steelbeard1 (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Slogan & mascot
As far as I remember, here in Australia, the slogan for 7UP has been "It's cool to be clear...7UP". And Fido Dido has always been the mascot on the can/bottle/marketing. - No mention in the article. - DaveDodgy (talk) 12:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Raspberry 7 Up
Short time in the 80's, what? I'm in Singapore and we still have it over here. I don't have any specimens on hand to photograph but Google image search's first hit is this site: http://spankyenriquez.blogspot.com/2007/12/christmas-soda.html And FYI, contrary to what this guy says, it's not a special Christmas thing. It's a bit hard to find (you'll never see it in any convenience marts, and less than half the supermarkets I've been to carry it), but if you know where to get it it'll be there all year round. And I distinctly remember drinking it ten years ago when I was in school so it's not something recently reintroduced, either. Nowadays I've only seen in it bottles but it was available in cans too (and was also generally more widely available) back then. 202.156.14.106 (talk) 13:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Rendering of the "7 Up" name
Consensus determined the rendering of the brand as "7 Up". I just reverted the rendering of the name as "7UP". The name has evolved over the years and early on was also rendered as "Seven-Up" on the back of early bottles as well as ads such as the one at. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move "7 Up" → "7UP"

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no move JPG-GR (talk) 20:45, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

7 Up → 7UP &mdash; This article is not only about the historic product but also about the current product. The product name predominantly used nowadays both by the trademark owner resp. manufacturing company and by communication media is "7UP", therefore the article title should be "7UP". Please move the article to "7UP" after redoing my edits already done today but regrettably reverted. Thank you. --Otto Knell (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose--This article is about the entire history of the product and the name should be the most prominent rendering over the years and the previous consensus has been to name this article and refer to the product as "7 Up." Steelbeard1 (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Steelbeard. --John (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per WP:MOSTM, we should not merely change the text formatting or capitalization just so it currently matches what the trademark owners do. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose – per WP:MOSTM & WP:ALLCAPS. 「gu1dry」 ⊤ • ¢ 06:01, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment--I just pasted the following disclaimer from the 7up.com web site: "7UP is a registered trademark of Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc. ©2010 Dr Pepper/Seven Up" which obviously shows two renderings of the 7 Up name and reinforces my opposition to the proposed renaming of the article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:MOSTM, and an argument could even be made for moving to Seven Up. =)  Powers T 15:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The 'UP' is not an acronym. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

7 Up Gold
I thought 7 Up Gold, when it was introduced in 1988, was the best soft drink I ever tasted. It tasted like my favorite soft drink Vernor's Ginger Ale but even better. I think it would be wonderful if 7 Up re-introduced this soft drink again. Keraunos (talk) 21:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Name change
The History section of the article says that 7 Up was originally called "Bib-Label Lithiated Lemon-Lime Soda". It would be good to include the date when the drink was renamed "7 Up", if anybody knows it. Dricherby (talk) 09:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The Uncola Glass
During the Uncola advertising campaign, there were commercials showing a glass of cola, presumably the common Coke glass with a swelled upper section. The glass was then turned upside down, the cola changed to 7-Up and an upside down 7-Up logo appeared on the glass. As part of the marketing, real "upside down" glasses with the inverted 7-Up logo were sold. IIRC, Geoffrey Holder did the voiceover for the glass flipping commercials. Picture of an Uncola Glass http://significantobjects.com/2009/09/15/uncola-glass/ Bizzybody (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Cherry 7up and milk
When you mix cherry 7up and milk and wait, it creates what looks like pink milk curds floating on top of the 7up — Preceding unsigned comment added by F1r3f7y (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Date of name change to 7 Up
When was the name changed from "Bib-Label Lithiated Lemon-Lime Soda" to 7 Up? 86.134.91.171 (talk) 12:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)