Talk:7 for All Mankind

Trademark
Someone should include the lawsuit involving the jean company who began producing jeans simply known as "Sevens" SFAMK took legal action against them complaining of copywrite breech and won.

Why is this article in an encyclopedia. It appears to be merely and advertisement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.130.42 (talk) 18:25, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate
There appears to be a dupicate article to this one that is just called Seven jeans. In the title it says Seven jeans AKA Seven '7' for all Mankind. I think the author of that page didn't realize this one existed. Someone should look into this as it is basically a very small duplicate article to this one. Zapzoid 25 October 2006


 * Thanks! This seems to be Seven 7 (clothing). I tagged them for merger, so anyone who knows their way around jeans can merge the articles. I don't know the fashion world enough to be able to check the facts in either article. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk)


 * How about just a redirect to Seven 7 (clothing)? Xcfrommars 21:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Seven 7 (clothing) already redirects here. --TeaDrinker 21:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Please note that "Seven 7" and "7 For All Mankind" are distinct and separate entities. "Seven 7 (clothing)" should not redirect to this page as it is not affiliated with 7 For All Mankind and should probably have its own page. 7forallmankind 18:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)7forallmankind

manufacturing
I am wondering where I can find information about the manufacturing process of designer denim- is it union made in the USA? For example. I have been unable to find any information about where and how these jeans are made.

7 For All Mankind Factual Errors (copied from Help desk
Hello. I work for and represent the premium denim manufacturer Seven For All Mankind, LLC. (7 For All Mankind) We have noticed that a section of the entry for our company has severe factual errors and has be co-opted by a competing company for their own marketing purposes. Essentially, the problem is that the "Brand" section of the 7 For All Mankind entry has almost nothing to do with the topic of the entry and tries to present a competitor as the inspiration for our products. Under our entry, the "Brand" section was updated last November to include the information about our competitor, "Seven7", by IP address 213.16.178.200. You will find that this is the IP address for www.seven7europe.com - the competitor in question.

We suggest that the "Brand" section as it stands be removed in its entirety and replaced with the text below:

BRAND The 7 For All Mankind brand has strong recognition worldwide and is particularly well known among celebrities and fashion-conscious denim consumers. The 7 For All Mankind logo consists of a large, brushstroke-style numeral 7 with the words "for all mankind" written across it in a smaller, stylized script. This logo has traditionally been found on the inside back waistband of 7 For All Mankind's denim products as well as sewn on to the back pocket. The 7 For All Mankind logo appears in various locations on other products such as footwear and handbags. In some European markets, the logo features a stylized pair of jeans as the background element rather than the numeral 7. 7 For All Mankind is sometimes mis-associated with the European-based denim brand "Seven7." Seven7 entered the U.S. fashion denim market shortly after 7 For All Mankind, who subsequently challenged Seven7's trademark in court. The case was eventually settled under confidential terms.

We at 7 For All Mankind understand that the integrity of Wikipedia is of the upmost importance. We do not wish to turn this into a marketing opportunity, nor do we wish to censor information which we may find unflattering. We do, however, believe it is important to defend our brand against false statements and to keep our entry from being used against us by competitors. Please feel free to contact me at the address associated with this username if you have any questions or need clarification.

Thank you for your efforts.

--7forallmankind


 * You are free to edit the article as you wish, so long as you stay within the boundaries of Conflict of interest, Attribution, and Neutral point of view. Yechiel Man 14:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I was just following the suggestion at Factual Error (enterprise) by posting here. The last time we attempted any edits they were immediately and repeatedly reversed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7forallmankind (talk • contribs) 11:25, June 15, 2007


 * It isn't appropriate to use "strong recognition worldwide", without a reliable source to back it up. Also, to say that it is "well-known among celebrities and fashion-conscious denim consumers", you need a source. A source for any details on the trademark case would also be appropriate. Lara Love  T / C  14:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your comments. I have added an initial source to the section which references a recent poll conducted by a neutral company. I will continue to add additional sources over the next few days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7forallmankind (talk • contribs) 11:25, June 15, 2007


 * This article states "7 for All Mankind, one of the most successful new denim labels."
 * This site states "The site brings together the right stores and brands (such as ... 7 For All Mankind) in clothing, shoes, ... Glimpse.com's expert shopping editors give customers ideas and inspiration around the latest trends, celebrity fashions, and ways to put together stylish new looks."


 * I'm going through the article wikilinking, correcting punctuation and spacing errors with regards to references, formatting what I can with those, and putting fact tags in place where appropriate. Lara Love  T / C  17:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * this exchange is absolutely riveting - I am wearing my sevens now (the proper ones) and I completely love them!
 * just one comment for 7-for-all-mankind: in a few short years manufactured distressing, rips and tears will seem completely mad; in fact they seem pretty mad already: I bought some true religion (£200) last week and they look absurd 62.232.34.3 (talk) 11:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * actutually I have a further comment for 7-for-all-mankind: if there was already a well known and well established jeans company called seven7 why did you call your company "seven" or "7 for all mankind"? I mean wasn't that something of a risk? 62.232.34.3 (talk) 14:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

History
It needs a touch-up, if someone with the appropriate skills could see to that Wikipedia will give you a cookie. (Cerebriac (talk) 10:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC))

Statements of questionable neutrality
The article contains several statements of questionable neutrality and questionable veracity, and the third-party sources that are cited while doing so are not linked by online links, so it seems hard to verify whether these statements are actually supported by the cited sources. Such statements include: —BarrelProof (talk) 02:14, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The reasons why the brand was successful ("because of the fit, fabrics, washes, attention to detail, and the iconic swooping logo that adorned the product's back pockets").
 * Saying that 7FAM was the leader and all others in L.A. were followers.
 * Saying that 7FAM and its followers made L.A. "the world center for casual fashion".
 * Saying that the brand's "proximity to Los Angeles makes the brand popular with celebrities and urban, fashion-conscious young adults".
 * Saying that the brand's style has "a look associated with the popularising of size zero women". (Are skinny women a new thing in fashion?)


 * Big surprise, when you have a corporate shill admittedly editing his company's article, which I'd question it being notable enough in the first place to warrant inclusion on Wikipedia.


 * Quite frankly, this article is nothing more than a puff piece/advertisement. 71.193.180.96 (talk) 13:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)