Talk:801 Grand/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 06:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to see some stronger sourcing here, and it may end up being that you come back after adding the newspaper sources you need for this one. Also a fair number of copy tweaks. 7-day hold to ; ping when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

 * Remove the first comma in sentence one. Commas don't need to follow parentheticals unless the sentence itself needs them. This one does not.
 * Construction of 801 Grand Building began in 1989 with I'd add a comma after 1989
 * The tower cost $70 million to construct with an additional $19 million parking lot being constructed and financed by the city of Des Moines. A comma after "construct" will aid reading
 * buildings that's an apostrophe missing
 * where were
 * This project was part of a $284 million renovation project I'd remove the second "project"
 * Postmodern is one word
 * bottom 3 floors, 3rd floor spell out
 * "The build"; also don't capitalize "Buildings" and "Century"
 * The Notable tenants section first paragraph has several serious errors:
 * In 1993, the 801 Chophouse was established on the second floor the 801 Grand. The Des Moines Register has described the restaurant as one of the "12 of the best steakhouses". The restaurant serves as the chain's flagship and features a gallery of cattle-themed artwork. The stake house has been used as a de facto clubhouse during the Iowa caucuses and is commonly visited by politicians and news personal.
 * First sentence, add "of" after "floor"
 * "One of the 12 of the best steakhouses" is awkward. Maybe something like In 2022, the Des Moines Register listed the 801 Chophouse among the 12 best steakhouses in Des Moines.
 * "Stake house" -> "steakhouse"
 * "Personal" -> "personnel"


 * ✅ Hopefully I got them all

Sourcing and spot checks
I really wish you had more material on the development phase. Have you thought of getting Newspapers.com through WP:TWL? Articles like this and First National Bank Tower would really benefit. Since the last time I reviewed something of yours, the Omaha World-Herald was added, full run! Des Moines Register material from the 1980s would be the next step, but I'm not going to chide someone for not having subscription resources through TWL.

Earwig doesn't turn up any serious issues.

Five sources were chosen of 19 for spot checks:


 * 2: This is an Emporis listing, but reference metadata doesn't say that. I'd have to think more significant coverage could be found for completion date and architect than this, but this is...okay for now. ✅
 * 3: What makes the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat source reliable? It seems like they paywall the building metrics section where this comes from, so I can't verify.
 * This is a database run by a nonprofit. We even have an article on it Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat


 * 11: This and source 10 reiterate the change in tallest building to the Omaha tower. ✅
 * 13: I believe this is being cited to...the photo caption? Is there something better?
 * ✅ cut


 * 19: Press release. Is there something better on F&G relocating? Even a business journal article?
 * ✅ replaced

Other items
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 * There are three libre licensed photos and a fourth with a VRT ticket associated clearing its use. Alt text is provided either by the gallery template or by the infobox (though the infobox image should probably have separate alt text from caption).

Comment:, did you fail this article then place it on hold? On my talk page, Christiebot placed a failed template than a hold template. I assume this is an error, but I want to make sure. I'll get to this review soon, I am taking my medical school admission exam later this week and also have another GA review I'm working on. It may take a couple of days for me to get around to everything, but I'll clean this up before the 7 day period is up.

Funnily enough, I just got my Newspapers.com subscription set up yesterday. I'll see if I can find anything worth including. 🏵️ Etrius ( Us) 15:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * That sounds like an error (pinging @Mike Christie). Good luck on your MCAT; I can let this sit for a bit so you can focus on far more important things. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 17:11, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I just added some code to catch some weird edge cases and it may be misbehaving.  I'll take a look. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 17:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This is the only nomination this happened on. It might be related to the fact that the first action was to place it on hold but that shouldn't be a problem.  I don't see what caused this, but have added some tracing code and will check all talk page messages for a while. If you spot something like this again please let me know. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 17:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully that everything. I dug up some sources from Newspapers.com. Do you know if IAbot is back up? 🏵️ Etrius ( Us) 05:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Etriusus Yes it is! I just ran it for you. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Some more things (note that I am passing the page). I understand this is your first time using Newspapers.com for article sourcing, so I want to get your attention on this. If you're like me, it will supercharge your editing volume (from 2014–18, I had 144 DYKs; from 2019 to today, I have 433, including 140 last year alone). I have more than 15,000 newspaper clippings added to on enwiki, the second-highest total of any editor, all in the last four years.
 * Clip your stuff. Newspapers.com URLs that contain /image/ cannot be accessed by non-subscribers, but clippings can be. So always, always, always clip! If you had more experience with the site, I would hold the whole article up until any such references were clipped, but I've gone ahead for you.
 * Check your page numbers. Newspapers.com microfilm scans, unless they are recent digital microfilm, do not account for section and page numbers common in many newspapers (p. D3, p. 6C) or supplements such as TV guides that are also scanned (e.g. page "219" of a Sunday paper might really be "TV Plus 11"). The Register of the 80s and early 90s used letters from the section titles (e.g. pages in the section Metro were 1M, 2M, etc.) which is unusual among newspapers. Even in recent years of newspapers, digital microfilm will only show sectioned pages like "D5" when the newspaper's style might be "5D". Some newspapers have numbered sections (which I typically cite as Roman numeral : page number, e.g. 2:6 or II:6); some papers had named sections (looking at you, Tampa Tribune). As you pull citations from different newspapers, you will get a feel for the style of each newspaper.
 * Multi-page articles need care. You will frequently have (and indeed do here) an article that spans multiple pages. This means multiple clippings. To cite an article that consists of multiple clippings, place the first clipping in the URL and cite the first page's article title as its title, then link to additional pages in the pages parameter of the citation template. I went ahead and did this as a demonstration with the copper cap article.
 * If you use Firefox, PressPass by is an invaluable userscript for high-volume Newspapers.com users. It can generate most of the citation information automatically when clipping, but you still need to check page numbers and manually insert authors. (It also is a little finicky with some recent design changes to the site, so watch out for titles containing HTML markup.)
 * I also want to leave a remark encouraging you to check your spelling more often. This is my second review of one of your pages; you tend to have a high amount of copy errors and typos compared to other GA-nominated pages I've reviewed. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 06:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)