Talk:9 (2009 animated film)

Plot?
The article goes directly to discussing the characters without referencing any plot. If we have details on the characters, there should be info available about the story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.210.129 (talk) 18:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Fact Check
Since there seems to be at least one user interested in adding themselves to the cast and crew of this movie, I thought this might make fact checking a little easier for future editors. See: http://www.filminfocus.com/focusfeatures/film/9/cast-crew Hanzo (talk) 12:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

LittleBigPlanet
Uh, hey all. I was just wondering if the movie or short film inspired the sackboy design in LittleBigPlanet. They just seem crazy similar, so I thought maybe the design team had some input. Merry Christmas, BTW. 70.179.98.58 (talk) 23:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The short film was done way before LittleBigPlanet -- 91.14.222.23 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying Little Big Planet copied off 9 (I'm not that stupid), I'm saying 9 copied off Little Big Planet!71.31.84.190 (talk) 01:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The short film was done way before LittleBigPlanet. --There are no names left (talk) 07:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Jungian Archetypes?
Is there an argument to say that this film is a demonstration of the 9 most common archetypes in storytelling? This film seems to play on this really quite heavily. Or more specifically, the 9 Enneagrams. See: Listology

Anyone got any background as to whether this was the motivation for the film? Bobbyfletch85 (talk) 00:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Trailer music
I recall seeing a theatrical trailer that included Welcome Home but had another song at the start which I believe was "The Captain" by The Knife. Can anyone verify that there is indeed another song there? I have no sound on this box... --Mattgcn (talk) 21:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Backstory
The backstory section was completely unsourced, and way too much plot. Deleted. 67.169.145.35 (talk) 10:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

sections
Shouldn't there be seperate sections for each of the character The Movie Master 1 (talk) 23:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Short Film Move
I have moved the short film to 9 (short film). I propose we move this one to 9 (film)  Delta  ( Talk ) 04:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you, whoever fleshed this article out. I tought I would have to do it, but you did the job for me. I don't have an account, by I have contributed frequently to this article. Thanks for the help. - A wikipedian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.93.153.143 (talk) 01:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

5's Eyepatch
Have noted that the summary for 5 had the origin of his eyepatch described as a monster attack. However, the Scientist's sketches show 5 already with an eyepatch, indicating it was part of the original design. Edited the summary to account for this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ObsidianWolf (talk • contribs) 02:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Needs a plot section
As of now it just looks horrible with just character descriptions and nothing else. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Old-style film reels = Alternate past/future?
Obviously no one can say for sure 'when' this film took place as it it's entirely fiction... however, I feel that there should be some mention of the idea that all of the 'war footage' between the humans and the machines resembles the sort of old-style film reels you would see during WWII... couple that with the fact that (aside from a few holograms) most of the technology appears to be from the first half of the 20th century, it seems to be an alternate 'past' of sorts. In my opinion it's worth some mention but the good folks of wikipedia deserve some say. Might I add, I realize that there is a 'timeline' section already in the article, but I feel like it downplays the idea that these events took place in a sort of alternate past - watching the film it seemed obvious to me that the time period was (at the very latest) the 1940's-50's - I feel this is nearly a 'major' part of the film.... although it is never confirmed. To be fair, I'm not 100% on wikipedia's rules and where this would stand.

Its set up sometime to look like around WWII. but the birth of 9 is on 9/9/09, which is the date the chancellor set up to be by when the state ruled the world. Sourced from backstory website.

I agree the war footage, as well as most of the tech used within (rifles, planes, artillery, tanks, cars, etc.) look vintage 1940s to me, but I think "alternate universe" might be a better-suited term. Unless it's specified somewhere, the 09 in 9/9/09 doesn't necessarily mean 2009, though. It could mean 1909, 1809, etc.. And let's not forget, 9/9/2009 was the film's release date. Spartan198 (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The director called it a "parallel universe" in one of the DVD special features. Spartan198 (talk) 06:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In the DVD extras they talk about the time period being WWII but with some features of modern of future technology. The banners and military resonate with the Nazis while clearly not being them.  Definitely alternate or parallel reality rather than any time in *our* past or future.  Sheherazahde (talk) 18:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I seem to remember when I saw this in theaters there was a newspaper that had a date from the 1930's. Was it 1936? Maybe not. "Over the Rainbow" (released 1939) is in the movie, so it takes place sometime after its release. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC).

Cat Beast
Altered the Cat Beast entry, as it had listed it as a cyborg, rather than a machine. If it were a cyborg it would have living tissue integrated with machine parts. Since the skull is not a living part, but simply used as the head(If you look, you can see that the jaws are opened and closed by the machine, rather than using ligaments or muscle), it is just a machine, albeit a very primitive and savage one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ObsidianWolf (talk • contribs) 15:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Spelling?
The whole article suffers from bad spelling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbola (talk • contribs) 21:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Then go through the article and fix the spelling errors. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You can use the spell checker feature on Internet Explorer when in the editing mode. PNW Raven (talk) 21:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Reception - Rotten Tomatoes
I think saying that it received "mixed to generally favourable" reviews is being a bit too generous towards it. That and Rotten Tomatoes has it summarized as "Rotten", not "Fresh" as the article states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.87.5.84 (talk) 06:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

we need a reference or citationBread Ninja (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

images
i dont believe we ened any images on the producer and directors in the characters section Bread Ninja (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree, if somebody studied the different characters they could all be made with pages of their own. of IMDB there is a picture of each individual character

References to the short film
Should there be a section about references to the short film in the movie? There are a good few. «-Bfa-» 14:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Plot Differences Between RU and EN Versions
The back-story is COMPLETELY different for the two versions, and can severely change the way people interpret the movie. It should at least be noted. Why has it been deleted (without reason)? Genome852 (talk) 05:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Were the differences sourced to reliable sources? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As someone from xussr, I can comment that many movies here differ from their originals because translators feel creative. Probably more than half of movies are released under titles that have little or nothing to do with original title, as for the plot itself, it does not typically suffer beyond one third of poorly translated dialogs. There are, however, notable exceptions, which often happen when unofficial screen copies are translated by third parties and spread through torrents. With this particular movie, I have seen two different translations that are not "COMPLETELY different" from what this article says. 95.133.200.225 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC).

Characters
The characters 1 through 9 are officially known as stitchpunks, as named by Shane Acker.


 * Stitchpunks
 * 1, the oldest of the stitchpunks and their self-proclaimed leader of the tribe. He is clever and sly, but also domineering, irritable, quick-tempered and slow, if not unwilling, to trust 9. The Scientist described 1 as struggling out of his hands after his creation, and being stubborn and defiant. 1's skin is fastened by many metal snaps. He wears a tall hat and holds a peculiar staff with a small bell on it. Voiced by Christopher Plummer.
 * 2, a kind, delicate old inventor. He is fascinated by junk, and he loves to explore the wastelands and look for parts for his inventions. His health is fading, is always walking with a cane, and can only see with a lorgnette. The Scientist wrote that after 2's creation, 2 began tinkering with the loose parts of the Scientist's workshop. 2's skin is fastened with many knotted strings. He wears a helmet that he built himself. Voiced by Martin Landau. Joe Ksander & Elijah Wood at WonderCon 2009 2.JPG 2009.]]
 * 3 and 4, curious but shy twin stitchpunks. They are unable to speak, using flickering lights to communicate with each other in a way similar to Morse code, but when they need to explain things to someone else, their eyes turn into film projectors. They instinctively run and hide at the sight of danger. Both wear hoods. After the Scientist created them, they playfully romped around his workshop and read all of his books. They are made from gardening gloves.
 * 5, a healer, tutor, and skilled mechanic/engineer. He is the journeyman of 2, the great engineer and inventor. He is a diligent worker, a meek spirit, and a devoted friend. He is missing his left eye (lost prior to the film in a Walker attack), instead wearing a metal plate. The Scientist remarked that 5 was the first of his creations not to run off or explore the workshop; instead, 5 was very trusting of the Scientist. He has buttons on his front to fasten his skin. Voiced by John C. Reilly.
 * 6, an artistic, wild and impulsive stitchpunk. 6's fingers are made of ink pen nibs, which he uses to draw. He has prophetic visions of the past and future, channeling his visions through drawings to interpret them, which are accurate in predicting events and help solve mysteries that puzzle 9. The Scientist described him as being peculiar and unable to naturally fit in to his surroundings, judging from his expressive artwork that he sees the world differently from the other creations. One of his eyes is slightly larger than the other, and paintbrush bristles sprout from his head. Voiced by Crispin Glover.
 * 7, a warrior. A rebel and a loner, the only female of the group, she is willing to take many risks for the good of the stitchpunks. She is impatient and can be reckless and stubborn, but makes up for it with mobility and grace, caution of her surroundings, and calmness in dangerous situations. Her color has been bleached away by the sun. She uses a blade mounted on a long staff for fighting, and wears a helmet made from a bird's skull. The Scientist described her as being fiercely independent and created her to be a mediator that could manage the stitchpunks with ferocity and keenness. Voiced by Jennifer Connelly.
 * 8, a giant, child-like brute. He is 1's personal bodyguard and the stitchpunks only warrior besides 7. Although he seems to be a bully at first, 8 is later revealed to be a loyal comrade. Although he is intellectually slow, 8 is strong and fierce, wielding two masterful weapons, half a pair of scissors and a kitchen knife used as a sword. The Scientist compared him to the rebel who was protecting him, refering 8 as a suitable guardian for the stitchpunks. He uses a magnet to entertain himself. Voiced by Fred Tatasciore.
 * 9, the protagonist. Good-hearted, thoughtful and sincere, he is always willing to risk his life to save others. Despite being a newcomer to the group, he displays leadership qualities that can help the others survive. He seeks truth in the history of the world and the stitchpunks, and wishes to know the meaning of life. 9 has a zipper on his body to fasten his burlap skin. Voiced by Elijah Wood.


 * Humans
 * The Scientist, a former toy-maker funded by the nation's Chancellor to build the B.R.A.I.N. Before he could properly test his invention, however, it was confiscated by the government and put to use immediately. Knowing the dangers of such actions, since the B.R.A.I.N. had no soul, the Scientist denounced the Chancellor and went into hiding, joining an underground group of rebels. When his worst fears came true, he hoped to atone for his part in humanity's destruction by creating the talisman and the stitchpunks, hoping they would preserve humanity's squandered gifts. One by one, he brought the stitchpunks to life by transferring his own life force into them, eventually dying at the beginning of the film. Voiced by Alan Oppenheimer.
 * The Chancellor, a ruthless dictator who intended to help his nation prosper after the end of a very great war, and funded the Scientist in his development of the B.R.A.I.N. He used the B.R.A.I.N. to create the Fabrication Machine and put into labor for his people so they could lead leisurely lives. Eventually he declared war on the other struggling nations and forced the Fabrication Machine to build other machines for battle. This, however, pushed the Fabrication Machine beyond its limits, and it turned against humanity. He was eventually killed by his own war machines, reprogrammed by the Fabrication Machine. Voiced by Tom Kane.


 * Machines
 * The B.R.A.I.N., (Binary Reactive Artificially Intelligent Neurocircuit), an artificial intelligence. It was created by the Scientist for his country after a great world war as a display of the country's wealth and science. However, it was taken by the Chancellor of the country before it could be properly tested and placed inside the The Fabrication Machine, soon creating machines that ravaged the planet. B.R.A.I.N., was pressed to its limits by the Chancellor to build machines for war. It eventually snapped under pressure and was driven to wipe humanity off the face of the Earth. It had at least a dozen extra optical sensors on its head for multi-directional vision and a long tail, which is used to fixiate the machine to the ceiling of the factory, but is jointed so it may move around the factory to create machines from spare parts. When angered, electricity would arc over the surface of its head. It serves as the main antagonist of the film.
 * The Cat Beast, an cat-like creature and also the first machine that 9 encounters. It resembles a cat skeleton and its head is made using a cat's skull. The Cat Beast has a red mechanical eye in its left socket and a light bulb in its right, which it uses to see in the dark. It uses its teeth and long, razor sharp claws to attack its prey. Its behavior out of all the machines seems to be the most feral. In the short film upon which the movie is based, this machine was the primary antagonist. The difference between the Cat Beast in the short film and the longer film is that the one in the short film had a green eye while the one in the longer film had a red eye.
 * The Winged Beast, a pterosaur-like machine. It flies with wings made from the nation's banner and a propeller, and its head and mouth consist of knives, saws, dental tools, and other razor-sharp weapons. It also contains a harpoon launcher on its tail to trap its prey.
 * The Seamstress, a cobra-like machine with a broken doll's face covering its real one. It hides in the shadows and waits to draw its prey out with a lure on the end of its tail, which happens to be the stitchpunk 2. The eyes emit a blinking blue light which can hypnotize its victim before attacking with a set of insect like legs on its front. It then ensnares the prey by tying up the victim with one of three spools of red thread that it carries on its back, hence the name, and storing the caught prey in its belly.
 * Zeppelin Beasts, large zeppelin or balloon-like machines with small bodies in place of a gondola. Zeppelin Beasts move via a pair of bellows at their rear and seem to be aerial patrols for the Fabrication Machine. They have two eyes on stalks and an air raid siren, which one uses to alert the Fabrication Machine to the stitchpunks' presence.
 * Walkers, a machine seen mostly in old recordings. These tall machines stand on long legs and are equipped with a Vickers machine gun and mortar shells full of toxic gas.
 * There are smaller, spider-like machines built by The Fabrication Machine to help with its work and guard the Factory.

Taken from the article under WP:TRIVIA. Needs some good editing before this heap of useless information should be reinserted. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  14:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Collapsed the list. BOVINEBOY 2008 ) 14:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And how should this "heap of useless information" be best edited so it can be reinserted? Evilgidgit (talk) 22:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * To begin with, you might find somewhere, anywhere in the film where they are called stitchpunks, or where the creatures are named. Otherwise, it's all just original research.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added fact tags all over that OR plot segment, since there is nowhere in the film where those names are used. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 23:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah you went a bit overboard with them. They should have been placed at the first incidence of each of the disputed names. --Captain Infinity (talk) 00:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned that mess up; didn't look like you were going to do it. Reasons given in the edit summary. --Captain Infinity (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * And my fact tags got removed again without sources. I will keep restoring them till they're sourced, and will start reporting editors for vandalism for removing them.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 00:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Stitchpunk is a genre, not a label for the ragdoll automatons
Try reading about the origin of the word "stitchpunk" and you will see that it was intended to be a descriptive word for the design elements that give the film a distinctive look and feel for the viewer. I suggest calling characters 1 through 9 "self-aware automatons" or similar. Using the word "stitchpunk" over and over in the article just seems amateurish somehow, especially since it is not once referred to in the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.35.22.193 (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Totally agree. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 04:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Article is still calling the dolls "stitchpunks" as of 4/25/10. I have gone through and removed all such references, changing them to "creations" as per the "9 Scientist" Facebook page which uses this term throughout its promotional entries. 76.218.69.148 (talk)

Agreed this should not be used to refer to the characters, took all out I could find. sherpajohn (talk) 03:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

- Still a lot of stitchpunk references, especially in the characters section. Was it decided to leave them there? Was the term used in an interview or something? --Stevehim (talk) 12:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Grammatical structure of the article
Is it possible for someone to add some? I suspect whoever added the plot summary did not have English as their first language. There is little indication who is being referred to at any given point and perspective shifts continually occur in the writing, as well as mixing past, present and future tense in the same sentence.

Characters section: 6's key and 5's eye
Is the key actually shown in the movie? I didn't see it until the Special Features showed deleted scenes. What about 5's eye? Was it in the original design. . . then the info for the character should be corrected. Ed8r (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, 6 wears the key round the neck on a keyring. On the small ragdoll it looks a lot like an iron collar.  SandJ-on-WP (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ed8r 223.123.84.25 (talk) 10:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Overlinking
There seems to be a tendency for some editors of this page to overlink (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Linking#Overlinking for what may constitute "overlinking"). I am cleaning up some of the excessive links. 76.218.69.148 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC).

Females
Under 7 it says she is the only female, but then 3 and 4 are called twin sisters. --Stevehim (talk) 16:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question but I don't see the word sister in the article at present, do you recall where it is said? It may be possible, gender does not seem very distinct with these organisms. It does certainly leave things on a higher note in terms of procreation of the species (they can procreate right?) if there are more females. AweCo (talk) 06:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Coven?
I'm not sure 'coven' is an appropriate group pronoun to describe the protagonists. A coven is a group of witches or vampires. How about homunculi or automata? Adzze (talk) 01:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that "coven" is inappropriate. I would be happier with "group". Sheherazahde (talk) 18:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Coven just means a group of people that have undergone some form of initiation together, and are somehow honourbound or what have you, to each other. All the characters seem to have problems with each other in one way or another, mostly with 1 and 8. Anything above the friendly and organized title of group would be unnecessary. &#39;&#39;&#39;Aryeonos&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk)

Plot summary
According to the plot summary, this movie takes place before the invention of the paragraph. 96.228.30.201 (talk) 05:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

BRAIN
Directed this here, but what does B.R.A.I.N. stand for? Is this said in the movie or perhaps in some accessory information source? Periods make it look like it stands for something... AweCo (talk) 06:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

It stands for Binary Reactive Artificially Intelligent Neurocircuit. At least that's what I read somewhere... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.12.167 (talk) 22:43, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Problem...
Under 7 it says that she is the only female creation, but 3 and 4's genders are not yet confirmed. Shouldn't it say that 7 is the only confirmed female? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.12.167 (talk) 00:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Can I remove the part where it says 7 is 9's love interest?
It says in the characters section that 7 is "9's love interest," but she's really not. There was no part in the movie where this was confirmed. Maybe it's just me, but I think they're just friends. So... can I remove that part?

Confreazlegirl (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)Confreazlegirl

Never Mind........
Never mind, I just watched the movie again and now it seems more obvious that there WAS something between them.

Confreazlegirl (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)CONFREAZLEGIRL


 * Thank you for admitting your error in judgement, something quite lacking these days. :)  Wzrd1 (talk) 06:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Character pages
I think we should create pages for the individual characters (only 1-9 and the scientist.)Seen "9 wiki" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.12.167 (talk) 03:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree. This is a minor work of fiction, not a significant cultural event or populace. While I DO love the film, I'd not waste limited storage to make some tome for each character.Wzrd1 (talk) 06:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Come on, "limited storage" is just a flimsy excuse and ridiculous for a few sentences. If you are that worried about limited storage, don't waste more of that precious limited storage with your texting on talk pages, so we have more storage for the article ;-) If you personally despise trivia and in depth information say it, but don't bull people with your lame "limited storage" excuse, that's just dishonest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.133.193.22 (talk) 21:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Someone please give link!
Where is the 9 wiki? I want a link!!

67.171.12.167 (talk) 01:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)61.171.12.167

This one, perhaps? http://nine.wikia.com/wiki/Ninepedia MythOfLight (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Nine (film) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 17:45, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

source
i had enough of being blocked for no source! this wiki is making people do bad stuff to me and it cause me to be annoy be all of you! why cant ypu leave me alone! Crazybob2014 (talk)-