Talk:A&P/Archive 1

Removed assertion
After the removal of the comparissons with Wal-Mart and the precis, this is left: "...with 80% of the supermarket business [in the 20s and 30s]." Any source for this? Mr. Jones 18:50, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Remove quote or add citation
I could not find the newspaper from which this quote was obtained. Also the discussion of the Hartford's private life would seem more proper on another page. I am copying the deleted para here so it can be returned if a citation is found.


 * When John Hartford passed away on September 20, 1951, the newspapers wrote "In the death of 'Mr. John' there passes a Retail Napoleon...He had a Grocery Empire as Ford had an Automobile Empire, Rockefeller an oil empire, Carnegie a steel empire. John Hartford belonged to a little group of Americans whose energy and vision made us the most prosperous nation in the world. He pioneered in foodstuffs just as Henry Ford did in transportation. Their philosophy was blunt and simple, just as works of genius are simple "Sell more for less." George and John's nephew and heir (since they had no children) Huntington Hartford was born famous as the A&P Heir, America's golden boy.  At Harvard the tabloids wrote he was "the richest College boy in the world". He became a world famous figure in the sixties developing Paradise Island in the Bahamas and publishing a magazine and building a museum but only worked at the A&P for one year where his uncles put him to work counting loaves of bread.  His uncle John fired him when he took off half a day work to watch a Yale Harvard football game; nevertheless, John and Huntington were close. John Hartford left part of his wealth to the John Hartford Foundation which was at one time the largest in America for geriatric care, as of 2004 John Hartford Foundation had 541,082,590. million in net assets.

--Tinned Elk 22:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Divisional structure and own brands.
A&P has gone through several restructurings in the past decade or so.

All traditional banners/divisions have been merged into "fresh" stores. This would be A&P/SuperFresh/Waldbaum's (including Foodmart).

Food Basics is now the "Discount" division.

The Food Emporium is the "Gourmet" division--NY City stores--Suburb stores are being converted into A&P Fresh stores for the most part.

Recently purchased PathMark is the "Price impact" division

SuperFresh stores being converted to PathMark are another division

The Liquor stores are split between legacy stores and Best Cellars.

Own Brands/On Point Inc. (Private Label Discussion) and the Main office round out the rest of the company.

The legacy divisions of A&P NY, A&P NJ, Foodmart New England, SuperFresh North, SuperFresh South, Waldbaum's West, Waldbaum's East is a thing of the past.

Also, I don't feel like writing up the recent changes properly to the Private Labels. But here's the basics of what happened (no references other than knowledge)

Until Recently:

Side of package read "distributed by Compass Foods, Inc." prior to the sale of Eight O'Clock Coffee; wording was changed to "Distributed by the Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co., Inc."

Savings Plus (low end, but very inexpensive)

America's Choice (General store brand)

Health Pride (HBC/GM)

Simply Kids (Baby products-introduced a couple years ago as a pilot for more recent changes)

Master Choice (gourmet, upscale, specialty, italian, organic, etc.)

(PathMark brand in those [recently purchased] stores, being phased out for standard A&P brands)

The new brands:

Side of package reads "Distributed by OnPoint, Inc." (although old Compass/GAPTea labels are still out there if you look hard enough)

Smart Price (Savings Plus renamed-even "SP" initials stayed the same)

America's Choce (General store brand)

Sub Brands of AC:

America's Choice Kids (the AC is small-emphasis in logo on "Kids") Cereal, Granola, PB&J etc.

America's Choice Preferred Pet (again de-emphasized AC, the PP part is what stands out

America's Choice Gold Quality (Using the new A* logo reads as A* Gold Quality)--(High end but not gourmet)

America's Choice Gold Quality for Kids (A* Gold Quality logo + AC Kids logo from above) replaced Simply Kids for baby stuff.

Replacing Health Pride:

America's Choice

Spa Market (Beauty end of Healty & Beauty Care)

Live Better (not 100% sure yet what's LB and what's AC, may be semi-arbitrary)

Replacing Master Choice: (encompassed too much-no brand identity)

America's Choice/ AC Gold (items that don't fit the bellow)

Hartford Reserve (Gourmet)

Green Way (Organic food, Natural Household, Ecofriendly)

Via Roma (Italian-Pasta, Sauce, Olive Oil, Vinegar, Perishable Dept Pizza, canoli's, etc.)

The new non-AC items have real attractive packaging, and look like they are name/national brands-with quality to back them up, but still priced better than similar national brands.

some categories (pasta for instance) have or will have as many as four different private labels to go head to head with all tiers of national branding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.114.95 (talk) 04:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Economy store
Quote: In 1912, the first A&P Economy Store opened, a grocery store format that allowed cost-cutting and standardized layout, increasing their store numbers to 1600 by 1915.

So, what did that innovation consist of? A&P had stores before, what was so new about their "Economy Store" that sparked off their massive success? Thanks, Maikel (talk) 12:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Early history
The "early history" section is far too short. One moment they're selling tea by mail-order from a store in Manhattan (?), next they're the market giant. Maikel (talk) 12:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

A&P liquor-stores in Virginia?
It states that: "A&P's liquor stores, known as Best Cellars, are located in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Virginia", but all Virginia liquor-stores are state-owned. The reference cited only states that the The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company (A&P) operates in Virginia, which is most likely referring to its grocery stores.

68.242.204.239 (talk) 17:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)Moi
 * AFAIK there no longer are any A&P-branded supermarkets in VA; in fact, with Super Fresh abandoning 25 Mid-Atlantic stores (some are being bought), there soon will be very few A&P-branded supermarkets south and/or west of Pennsylvania and New Jersey. 207.210.134.83 (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, there's the fact that there are such things as New Jersey Best Cellars stores, makes me think the line needs to be changed outright. oknazevad (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Woodson & James
Anybody else notice that Woodson (&) James are the middle and last name of an infamous Wild West personality? (Woodson & James' meat products are A&P's latest attempt to turn this iconic company around.) 207.210.134.83 (talk) 14:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Table of store dispositions - separation of state into a column
Unfortunate that the State and Municipality columns have been merged. I think it is quite useful to be able to sort by state to see the impact on particular states. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 10:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

"Rise and decline in number of stores"
I wonder if the chart in this section could float somewhere else in the article with a caption offering an explanation, instead of existing as a standalone section, creating a lot of white space in the process. Or, should some prose be added to the section? Seems strange to have a section with just a table and a single reference. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:49, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company Storefront Photo
This is a nice photo of a 1930 storefront in the Frankford section of Philadelphia:

Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company Storefront Photo

E709177 (talk) 22:46, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with A&P Futurestore
The "future store" itself isn't notable and this article about it lacks necessary sourcing. A few sentences of well-sourced info could reside on the article about A&P. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 02:28, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 12:59, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Levinson page number
You added a citation from Levinson but not the page number. Please add the page number so we can find where this content is coming from. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 02:38, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

---Thanks - updated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmillerson1982 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 24 March 2019 (UTC)