Talk:Aérospatiale Gazelle/Archive 1

Gazelle, Iraq and Desert Shield + Storm
I cant comment on the usage during them but they did use other types of helicopters, BO 105 and Mi-8/17/25/35 at least and there is video evidence from iraqi tv that the Gazelles were used to put down the rebellion by the Shiite jihadists after the defeat in Desert Storm. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.215.244.106 (talk • contribs).

British Army DVI System
The paragraph on the DVI system is a bit long winded and reads like an advert for the Qinetiq system, rather than an encyclopedic entry. Some of this text maybe should be moved to the Direct_Voice_Input article. AadaamS (talk) 11:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree – I've had a go at tightening it up and watering down the sales pitch. --Wally Tharg (talk) 23:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Popular culture
You should add Coca Cola commercial "Give a little love": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZVigh6KJng&t=0m57s

Its a SFRY Gazelle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.149.21.38 (talk) 13:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Disagree: this is an encyclopedia, not a teenage scrap-book. --Wally Tharg (talk) 23:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Possible picture description error
The photo with the description: "A British Commando Helicopter Force Gazelle of the Royal Navy, takes off from Camp Justice (northeast of Baghdad, Iraq) during the Iraq war in 2002." I suspect that either the date or location might be incorrect.

The invasion did not take place until 2003 and Camp Justice was given that name in 2004 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Justice_%28Kadhimiya,_Iraq%29).

The eliteukforces website suggests it could be another Camp Justice in Afghanistan (http://www.eliteukforces.info/gallery/helicopters/gazelle-chf.php) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 00Simian (talk • contribs) 14:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Good spot, the original caption from the USAF photographer says A Gazelle AH-1 Helicopter piloted by Captain Jack Frost of the Commando Helicopter Force, Royal Naval Air Station, Yeovilton, Somerset, UK takes off from Camp Justice, during Operation ENDURING FREEDOM. and it was taken on 12 April 2002. I have corrected the caption. MilborneOne (talk) 15:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi MilborneOne, If the photo is traced back further, it appears to come from HERE (Click on "Additional information about this item") where the Scope & Content section says: "ENDURING FREEDOM Base: Camp Justice, Masirah Country: Oman (OMN)". There are also several more photos HERE (see page 2) of the photos.  THIS photo is pretty convincing as it was taken the day before of the Commander, 321st Air Expeditionary Group (AEG) which was deployed in support of Operation Southern Watch - putting Captain Jack Frost a long long way from Afghanistan at the time. More likely he was at the former RAF airfield of Masirah. Cheers, --Bye for now  (PTT) 15:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems a reasonable deduction. MilborneOne (talk) 15:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, have changed the caption, --Bye for now (PTT) 16:22, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Price/cost
Don't know if this might be of use - was looking through the Flight/Flight International archive for info. Found 1973 article where the price is given as £81,000 for civil sales. Article also mentions a foray into a rigid rotor which lengthened development time. GraemeLeggett (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This was very useful, I have incorporated it into the article. If you have anything else that may be of interest, feel free to share it. Kyteto (talk) 22:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

United Kingdom
The United Kingdom section of the article mentions different times when Gazelles were used by the British armed forces but, not in historical order. The 1978 British Army Gazelle downing is written not only after the Falklands war of 1982, but, after the 1991 Gulf and 1999 Kosovo wars, as well. That, despite the fact that the Gazelle downing in Northern Ireland happened first. Why is that? Would the article not be improved if those events were rearranged in historical order? Dreddmoto (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with following the historical order of events, as long as other important conventions are followed as well, such as avoiding single-sentence paragraphs which the MOS advises against, and that the citation of the facts isn't broken up either. I reverted the earlier attempt to swap to this order not because placing it into a yearly order didn't make sense, but because the edit was done without an effort to keep the citations and the information they're citing together primarily. In can be done, but it doesn't take precedence over the tracability of facts or the styling recommendations laid out in the Manual of Style. Kyteto (talk) 20:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Kyteto, that's informative. I'm not sure that I can do it according to those considerations but, someone else might. Maybe you? Dreddmoto (talk) 14:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, I will have a go at sorting this,  Please be patient for a couple of days. Cheers, --Bye for now  (PTT) 19:35, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I have done enough on his now. --Bye for now (PTT) 13:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Bye for now. It's looking better, now. Dreddmoto (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

The photograph of a Commando Helicopter Force Gazelle that was in the United Kingdom section has been removed. Why not bring it back? If not in the same section, then, it could be added to another part of the article. What do others think? Dreddmoto (talk) 16:03, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Westland contribution
Licence-production or not? Flight International around the period uses joint production not "licence". And says Wesltand was building 65% of all Gazelles, no matter the end customer. GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The article already has a bit on the "work-share" agreement on the Gazelle/Puma/Lynx so really not licence production as we would normally describe it. MilborneOne (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Only from memory, but I think the deal was that Westland pretty much made the Lynx and SA made the Gazelle and Puma. Nothing to back this up, I'm afraid, but it might give some clues where to look. Even the door handles were off a french car (Peugeot?) Cheers, --Bye for now (PTT) 18:13, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Original research - Certainly Westland at Weston-super-Mare were building both Gazelles and Pumas when I visited in 1978. The 1967 Anglo-French Helicopter Programme was a government/government agreement tied in with a joint production order. MilborneOne (talk) 18:23, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * When the Yugoslav licence-production started it sourced components from both the French and British assembly lines. MilborneOne (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Production will be organised so that duplication of tooling is kept to a minimum, and in each case will be divided to give each country work equivalent to is national requirement and an equitable share of exports. http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1967/jan/23/helicopters-anglo-french-agreement MilborneOne (talk) 19:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've had a stab at reworking the lede. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The agreement allowed co-production between the two countries. Aérospatiale designed the Gazelle and Puma, Westland the Lynx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.247.55 (talk) 11:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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