Talk:AC Milan/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: –– Jezhotwells (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC) I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Checking against GA criteria

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * The article is not "reasonably well written."
 * In the lead alone, five sentences start with "The club", and there are a lot of other instances further down the page.
 * The UEFA Cup (Europa League) remains the only major competition for which the team are eligible to compete in that they have never won. could be phrased a lot better.
 * Milan was a founding member of the G-14 group and the European Club Association that was formed following the first organization's dissolution. Needs clarification - was the G-14 group the first organization?
 * The owner of the club is Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi while the vice-president is Adriano Galliani. The use of while here (and in other places in the article) is wrong. Simpler to just say "and".
 *  In honor of its origins, the club has retained the English spelling of its city's name, instead of changing it to the Italian Milano, although it was forced to do so during the fascist regime. Clumsy, reword for clarity
 * In 1963, the club ensured its first continental title by beating Benfica in the final of the European Cup. Ensured? - better to use won or gained.
 * After the retirement of Gianni Rivera, Milan went into a period of decline, during which the club was involved in the 1980 Totonero scandal and relegated to Serie B as punishment, When did Rivera retire? Put the date in.
 * In 1986, entrepreneur Silvio Berlusconi acquired the club and immediately invested a lot of money in the team,[14] appointing rising coach Arrigo Sacchi at the helm of the rossoneri and signing a Dutch trio of Ruud Gullit, Marco van Basten and Frank Rijkaard. You need to explain rossoneri - the term hasn't been introduced before.
 * Milan has had numerous presidents over the course of its history, some of which have been owners of the club while others have been honorary presidents. Here is a complete list of them. Whom, not which.
 * Below is a list of Milan coaches from 1900 until the present day Self referential, just say Milan coaches from 1900.
 * Paolo Maldini presently holds both records for number of total and Serie A appearances for Milan with 1000 games played in total and 600 in Serie A (as of 14 May 2007, not including playoff matches) should be presently holds the records for both total appearances and Serie A appearances...
 * The club holds the unique record of having gone a whole season without losing a game, during the 1991–92 season. - don't need to use the word season twice in the same sentence.
 * In total, that unbeaten streak lasted 58 games, starting with a 0–0 draw with Parma on 26 May 1991 and ironically ending with a 1–0 loss at home to Parma on 21 March 1993. Ironically, best leave that out, it is a weasel word.
 * Milan, along with Boca Juniors, has won the most FIFA recognized international club titles in the world. A bit clumsy as it stands, either hyphenate Fifa-recognized, or rephrase.
 * Throughout the entire history of the club, it has been represented by the colors red and black. -- it has been represented by? Rephrase for sytle
 * Due to Milan's striped red and black shirts, the club has gained the nickname rossoneri - ah the explanation at last, see note about this above.
 * The third strip changes yearly and is black with red trim for the current season, but it is rarely used. -- current season is a term that can become dated.
 * For many years, Milan's badge was simply the Flag of Milan, which was originally the flag of Saint Ambrose. Another nickname derived from the club's colors is the Devil. Complete non-sequitur, first sentence about badge, second is about a nickname.
 * Currently, the badge represents the club colors and the flag of the Comune di Milano, with the acronym ACM at the top and the foundation year (1899) at the bottom. -- Currently again. Better to say when this was introduced.
 * The team's current stadium is - current
 * The stadium is renowned for its fantastic atmosphere due to the closeness of the stands to the pitch.  Who says it is fantastic - weasel word.
 * The frequent use of flares by supporters contributes to the atmosphere but the practice has occasionally caused problems. I can imagine that problems would be caused but they need spelling out (and citing)
 *  He said that Milan's new stadium will be largely based on the Veltins-Arena and will follow the standards of football stadiums in the United States, Germany and Spain. It will likely be a stadium for football purposes only (with no athletics track). The new stadium is supposed to be named after a sponsor. Very clumsy phrasing here.
 * Milan is one of the most supported football clubs in Italy, according to research conducted by Italian newspaper La Repubblica Better to say something like "one of the best supported"
 * Genoa fans consider Milan a hated rival after Genoa fan, Vincenzo Spagnolo was tragically stabbed to death by a Milan supporter in January 1995. Indeed this was tragic, but tragic is a weasel word, conveying a point of view.
 * Currently, the club is also ranked as the sixth richest football club in the world by Forbes magazine, making it the richest in Italian football. Currently again, better to say "as of 2010" or whatever.
 * Previous to this deal, - just use "Previously,"
 * Overall: The examples above are the worst instances of bad prose, but the whole article could do with a thorough copy-edit. Consider asking for help from the WP:Guild of Copyeditors
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * Citation needed tag in History section needs addressing.
 * I fixed three and tagged four dead links using WP:CHECKLINKS
 * Ref #48 is a personal home page, not a WP:RS
 * Ref #49 - SportsPundit is a kind of wiki, not a WP:RS
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * The first paragraph of the History section says that the club was founded as a cricket club, but no mention is made of when they started playing football.
 * Does the club put out teams for other sports? many European clubs do.  How about reserves, training facilities, youth teams - surely they are part of the club and should be covered?
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * It remains to be seen if this plan will proceed or if this is just a ploy to force the owners (Comune di Milano) to sell the stadium to Milan for a nominal fee so as to proceed with extensive renovations. The possibility of Internazionale vacating San Siro may affect proceedings. Says who? This looks like a POV to me.
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * Page is protected from vandalism
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Well, there are a lot of things to be addressed. If these cannot be fixed in seven days I shall not be listing the article. If that happens you can get on with fixing things up and then renominate at WP:GAN. On hold until 10 April. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No response has been made here, no edits made to address these problems. I am minded to fail the nomination. The Nominator has not edited Wikipedia since 8 March, so I will not be listing at this time. As the nominations list is relatively short now, there should be no problem in getting a review if the nominator reappears and addresses these problems. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 12:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Well, there are a lot of things to be addressed. If these cannot be fixed in seven days I shall not be listing the article. If that happens you can get on with fixing things up and then renominate at WP:GAN. On hold until 10 April. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No response has been made here, no edits made to address these problems. I am minded to fail the nomination. The Nominator has not edited Wikipedia since 8 March, so I will not be listing at this time. As the nominations list is relatively short now, there should be no problem in getting a review if the nominator reappears and addresses these problems. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 12:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)