Talk:AFC North

2005 Season
Why does the 2005 season list the Bengals losing the wildcard instead of the Steelers winning the superbowl? I assume this is a mistake. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thermopylae300 (talk • contribs).
 * The table just lists the division champions. The Bengals won the division that year, while the Steelers only clinched a wild card playoff spot. That is why Pittsburgh had to win three road playoff games to reach the Super Bowl. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Just would like to point out that during the 2000 season the Ravens defense was one of the best of all TIME. they had the lowest ammount of points allowed ever recorded, and scored defensive tds in 3 straight games i think. regardless, the article says "their defense was arguably one of the best in the league that year" which largely discredits the accomplishment they achieved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.160.191.18 (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

1982 championships
Because of the strike the NFL did not have the division set up at the end of the season. I don't think or any team in the NFC E/W and old central or AFC E/W and old central should be listed asthe 1982 champions. I think the table should be blank for 1982 with the team with best record listed in the footnote. It should not be writtent to reflect the team as the champion of the division for that season Smith03 22:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Year established
I moved AFC North from Category:2002 establishments to Category:1970 establishments to be consistent with NFC North. Both divisions replaced the former Central divisions, and since this article discusses history going back to the 1970s, it makes sense to put it in the 1970 category. Dave6 20:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

2000's
It says the Steelers are the only team to ever sweep the divisional games but the Bengals just did it last year if I am not mistaken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.133.162.45 (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Split
Ok, so I cannot find any source that states the AFC North (née AFC Central) is actually a continuation of the pre-merger NFL Century Division. At all. None. Seems to me like this is pure WP:OR based on the idea that the only two teams placed in the AFC Central when it was founded in 1970 that shared a division the year before were both in the Century Division. But with no sources saying that (and I've checked rather thoroughly, including the NFL's record book, which makes no such claim), making the lead and history sections of this article pure WP:SYNTH. The only way to rectify this is to split the Century Division into its own article, and rightly state that the Century Division was disbanded, while this article is corrected to state that the AFC Central was formed in 1970. oknazevad (talk) 17:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Some follow up, since no one has commented. In searching for sources, it's patently obvious that the only other places making this claim are getting their info from Wikipedia. But more disturbingly, in looking at the edit history of this article, the claim that the AFC Central was the successor to the NFL Century was introduced without a single source and with the tell-tale WP:WEASEL "it can be considered" language found in WP:SYNTH cases. In short, I'm calling total bull on the claim and will remove it permanently immediately. oknazevad (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * If it's unsourced just remove it. A lot of original research garbage was added years ago by IPs and it continues to plague most NFL pages, because no one ever questioned them. Lizard  (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The statement should be removed unless someone can find a source to back-up that the AFC North directly spawned from the AFC Century division. Interestingly, the NFC West article also claims, "The division was formed in 1967 as the National Football League Coastal Division, keeping with the theme of having all of the league's divisions starting with the letter C." Remove both statements. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  19:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That article is also entirely unsourced. So as far as I'm concerned that article contains zero information. It would be worth about the same if it was all just a bunch of gibberish. Lizard  (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Just as a note: NFL Century Division redirects here, so that may need to be changed too. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was merged to this article in July 2011 by User:Jgera5, probably based on the reading of the article as it stood at the time. That "it can be considered" bit was added on October 3, 2009, by User:FMAFan1990 (who hasn't edited since later that year). They did that as part of a rash of undersourced edits to NFL articles that included linking all post-merger divisions with pre-merger ones. None of it is sourced, and based on the histories I've read over the years, all of it is a novel, and incorrect, reading of history. Sure, it seems pretty obvious that the former AFL East and West became the AFC East and West, or that the NFC North is the direct continuation of the pre-merger NFL Central (being that it's the exact same CHI-GB-DET-MIN lineup), but to try to claim an entire pre-merger NFL division became an AFC division because two teams happened to be in the same division before and after realignment when no sources say that at all is definitely original research and should be expunged. The merger should be undone. Cranky, I think all those mergers should be undone. oknazevad (talk) 01:13, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Two years later, and nothing has been done yet. Should we open a discussion at WT:NFL about all the division articles being de-merged? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * NFL Century Division has already been restored as a separate article, and mentions of its records here have been removed. I reverted the redirect from the merger in January 2017. I'm not sure what else needs to be done. oknazevad (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oops, my mistake. I conflated NFL Century Division with AFC Central. Thanks for setting me straight. - BilCat (talk) 21:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)