Talk:AGM-88 HARM

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Hi,

I recently made a revision to the Wikipedia article about the AGM-88 Missile and I noticed you changed it back. I had changed to top speed from Mach 4 to Mach 2, after submitting a paper in my school, NYU, and being notified by my professor that I was mistaken about the speed. You changed it back to Mach 4, which makes me think you know something that I don't. I would be very interested to see if you could reference this top speed with a reliable source. It would also help me improve my grade.

Thanks in advance for your help. —This unsigned comment was added by 195.113.142.207 (talk • contribs).


 * Hi. Yeah, I remember making that edit. It actually wasn't because I knew that the top speed is Mach 4, or indeed anything about the darn missile. I sort of hoped that if the top speed really was Mach 2 instead of Mach 4, and somebody knew that, they'd come back and say something, and maybe provide a source that we could cite in what is currently an unreferenced article. Do you know of a reference that says anything about the AGM-88's top speed? It sounds like you might have more access to information about missles than I do. I guess we could change it back on your professor's word, but even better would be citing or linking to a reference where that, and other facts in the article, can be verified. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Unusable reference tagged as dead link
The reference given for the friendly fire incident shows what seems to be the intended page, and then immediately redirects to some penny-ante excuse for a search engine. It is thus unusable without extraordinary measures and I am tagging it as a dead link.--Ray Chason (talk) 00:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Homing
The article does not explain how the missile knows where to go once near the target. There seems to be one antenna for all frequencies. I could not find a source. I can only guess that the missile can spiral, tumble, stagger, reel, gyrate or that the antenna points to the side and the missile rolls. --Moritz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.0.105.193 (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

"I can only guess that the missile can spiral, tumble, stagger, reel, gyrate or that the antenna points to the side and the missile rolls."

Wh-What?? 94.175.244.252 (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

"how the missile knows where to go once near the target"

The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ

AGM-88F HCSM
Need to cover the lastest AGM-88F HCSM perhaps? 94.175.182.39 (talk) 11:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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Undefined use of acronyms and initialisms
You have used "ECR" without any effort to explain what it means, and this is something that should NEVER be done. Off the top of my hat, I can guess these: ECR = Engineering Change Request, related to ECD = Engineering Change Document ECR = Electromagnetic Compatibility Range ECR = Electromagnetic Coverage Request ECR = Electronic Cash Register ECR = Electronic Computer Robot 47.215.180.7 (talk) 02:28, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


 * It's a designation, which is not generally explained in every usage. AGM, and F/A aren't explained for the same reasons, not should they be. - BilCat (talk)

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Writing properly
BilCat, pray tell how "utilizes" is the better word in this case when it says the exact same thing as "uses"? Favour the simpler word. Time to learn to use simple words effectively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexkvaskov (talk • contribs) 15:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * While "use" and "utilize" are often used utilized interchangeably, "utilize" does have a distinct meaning, and is correct in this context. Look it up. - BilCat (talk) 15:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexkvaskov (talk • contribs) 16:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Since you prefer utilizing simple words, perhaps Simple English Wikipedia would be better for your level of language skills. - BilCat (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Usage Map
The map is at odds with the text regarding usage.

Pakistan is highlighted on the map, but not listed in the text, and South Korea is listed in the text, but not highlighted on the map.

I lack the proficiency to fix the problem, but hopefully someone here can create a new map.  Horologium  (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Ukraine
Evidence of Ukrainian use has started to emerge can't find anything reliable yet. https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1556286860128931843 --Kitchen Knife (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I left it in as "alleged usage" not sure what exactly wikipedia's procedures are but it seemed like the right thing to do. UA Weapons tracker seems to be reliable enough usually but it feels like something more solid would be better. Maybe there are some foreign language sources that could corroborate the claim? Operator-zeta (talk) 19:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * SOP is not to mention it until even the alleged has been made by one of the more orthodox sources.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 20:54, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Maximum Speed
The descrition paragraph states "A smokeless, solid-propellant, booster-sustainer rocket motor propels the missile at speeds over Mach 2.0", however the specicfiction section states " Maximum speed 2,280 km/h (1,420 mph) (Mach 1.84)".. At least one of these is incorrect.