Talk:AI winter

Where does the second AI date (1993) comes from?
This date is everywhere on the internet but doesn't seems to corresponds to any specific event. Could we explain this date in more details in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcolafrancesco (talk • contribs) 16:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * There isn't really a specific date when the "winter" began -- things had been step-wise shrinking since 1988 (start of the "Fall"). It was obvious there was a serious problem by 1990. In the 90s, companies abandoned their AI projects (i.e., expert systems) one by one, as they ran into cost and maintenance problems. Funding agencies also cut funding one by one. By 1993, you had New York Times and Forbes running articles, from a business point of view, accusing AI of "hype". By 2000, it was "common knowledge" that AI was all hype. So there wasn't really a single "event" -- just a change of opinions of experts in the mainstream business press, based on the experiences of actual businesses over a ten-year period. It was a change of season, not an event. --- CharlesTGillingham (talk) 00:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Cause
AI 'winter' necessarily follows from the spruiking of a concept having a basis only in the human imagination and no basis whatsoever in reality. There is no such thing as artificial intelligence. Never has been. And never will be. At least not by simulation implemented using digital computers. This is a necessary corollary arising from the study and understanding of the nature of deterministic computing. It is NOT possible for any deterministic computational system (eg an electronic digital computer) to emulate sentience (ie 'intelligence') in any way, shape or form. Persons who have studied and understoo\d computer science know this and do not expound 'artifical intelligence' using digital computers because they know that - by definition - it is NOT possible. And they possess intellectual honesty. However those who lack this understanding and/or do not possess intellectual honesty, or possess intellectual dishonesty DO expound the notion of 'artificial intelligence' using deterministic computing devices. Such people are examples of the phenomenon known as 'snake-oil salesmen'; that is, people seeking to enrich themselves by promoting a fraudulent notion among the ignorant. Currently there are very many persons promoting the notion of 'artificial intelligence' in a manifestly fraudulent manner only in order to enrich themselves.

The notion of 'artificial intelligence' is precisely, and only, that - a notion. As 'time travel' is a notion. Artificial intelligence has no [present] manifestation in reality because it CANNOT have a manifestation in [present] reality, just as time travel has no basis in [present -sic] reality because it CANNOT have any basis in [present] reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.151.210.84 (talk) 02:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I started this page in Dec of 2005 (Talk::AI Winter ). After some work, I left it to others. So, this is a nice culmination after 18 years. ... But, AI is not solely machine learning by itself. And, from the position of many, there was really no "winter" at the core. Funny money disappeared. I think that we ought to get a handle on the cyclic ways of life, even within busyness. ... Anyone for a true multidisciplinary view that will be necessary for us to tame the beats of the buckets-of-bits? Also science? I see it lacking quite obviously as imagination runs wild like the kids at spring break. jmswtlk (talk) 01:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Business
Chloe 2400:AC40:60B:D5A3:C00E:2502:7F58:8C24 (talk) 22:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Remove redirect from Quantum winter
I suggest that the redirect to this page from Quantum winter should be removed, and a page about the phenomenon called "Quantum winter" be created instead.

Se discussion on Talk:Quantum winter.

Liiiii (talk) 07:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

AI Spring Update
The current AI Spring has created some undeniable content inasmuch as the increasing cadence of development and explosion of competition to create the next big thing and pushback from industry and government to impede progress. Is this on anyone's radar? Hcsnoke (talk) 15:17, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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Cutting all this stuff
Cutting this because (1) I think the article is better if tighten it just to cover the history. (2) These sections are each at very different levels of reliability and notability. It would take a good editor and a lot of research to figure out exactly what's notable and to make this section WP:comprehensive. (3) My (personal) impression is that there are almost as many theories as there were observers, and that there is no way to settle the issue definitively.

Anyone disagrees, feel free to take it on. CharlesTGillingham (talk) 00:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

CharlesTGillingham (talk) 00:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

A revert
The article discusses the origin of the term in the second paragraph. I reverted an edit which changed: To: It's important that (1) they were leaders (2) they had already survived one "winter", because this is the "who" and "why" here, and it's essential. (Lots of people worked in AI in random periods of time in the past, so the second version doesn't actually say anything notable.) The reader needs to know that (1) these are people worth listening to, and that (2) they were speaking from experience.
 * Roger Schank and Marvin Minsky—two leading AI researchers who had survived the "winter" of the 1970s
 * Roger Schank and Marvin Minsky—two AI researchers who had worked on AI in the 1970s

You could argue that word "survived" is WP:peacock and tone it down to "experienced" or something. That would be fine. CharlesTGillingham (talk) 00:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * 1) "Survived" is an extreme term, as there was very little chance of either of them losing their jobs. Experienced is better.
 * 2) If dedication to who and why is essential, it is worth noting here that Schank's work in AI really began in the mid-1970s, which was either during or after the first Winter occurred (depending on your comfort with dates), after he became a professor in 1974, His notable work occurred after that. In fact, it could be stated that he was late to the party relative to "leaders" like Minsky, Feigenbaum, McCarthy, et al. Andreldritch (talk) 11:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

English speech about raising challenge
OR TAMBO 41.13.191.75 (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Sterling 49.177.23.51 (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

FRENCH.
Decrilez_la pour aider la police a la retriever. 154.161.152.26 (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)