Talk:AMC Ambassador

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The article states that the Ambassador SST line was introduced in '68, but I owned a '67. It had the old door handles (my father's '68 DPL wagon had the flat ones, that was the year they were introduced - another item the article doesn't go into.) And it had the SST logo. (It was a 2-door hardtop, 290 V8, black vinyl roof, and "make-out" seats that, being in high school, I took full advantage of!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.140.14 (talk) 04:49, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Rewrite
I’ve done a very extensive rewrite on this article tonight – its still needs proofing for spelling and grammar, but the information is not correct, verified and attributed to a known resource (see references for Standard Catalogue of American Cars). Beside the rewrite, I made the following changes:

1) Reoriented the article toward Nash and AMC 2) Corrected the misleading information that Ambassador was being a model of car from 1927 to 1974. The Ambassador was actually a one model trim option in the top line six and twin eight from 1927 to 1931, and a model in its own right from that point further. It was also not always the biggest and most expensive Nash, the Nash Limo was for a number of years. I verified this against production data. I know that this is being nitpicky, but it is correct. 3) Removed redundancies, etc. 4) Added commercial advertising images.

I also removed a number of item under further reading – the items removed did not directly deal with the Ambassador (other cars, outside dates, etc.) and therefore didn’t belong in this article. If this steps on anyones toes, I’m sorry – just trying to keep the article focused on the topic – perhaps the sources would be better placed on the AMC page. Stude62 03:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

reverted edits made by 207.164.171.148
I've reverted the edits made by 207.164.171.148. From 1958-1961 the Ambassador wore AMC badging, not Rambler's. While an AMC brand didn't appear on the car, neither did badging that carried the wording "Ambassador by Rambler". If you'd care to revrt these changes, then please bring some documentation to the table. Stude62 22:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * My bad - the car was billed as the Ambassador by Rambler. I have egg on my face, my foot in my mouth, tec. etc. Stude62 14:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

reverted the changes from ' inch designators
In articles like this, you either write out "inch" or use the symbol ".

History of merged content
I've merged content from List of 1971 American Motors automobiles, but since it's a list of specifications sourced from Oct. 1970 Popular Mechanics, I think it's safe to delete the article as long as I provide proper attribution. So here is the article history before I deleted it:


 * (cur) (last) 14:38, 26 June 2006 Wiarthurhu (Talk | contribs | block) m (moved List of 1971 American Motors Automobiles to List of 1971 American Motors automobiles: caps title)
 * (cur) (last) 14:30, 26 June 2006 Wiarthurhu (Talk | contribs | block) m (moved 1971 American Motors Specifications to List of 1971 American Motors Automobiles: OK, no rule against lists of cars, right?)
 * (cur) (last) 04:44, 26 June 2006 ApolloBoy (Talk | contribs | block) (This does not qualify for an article)
 * (cur) (last) 02:21, 26 June 2006 Wiarthurhu (Talk | contribs | block) (Well, excel table is here, u r welcome to clean up html.)
 * (cur) (last) 02:02, 26 June 2006 Wiarthurhu (Talk | contribs | block) (Table has data that can be placed in other AMC wiki pages. Pleeeez don't delete it. If you know how to do a table, please do it.)

--Deathphoenix ʕ 23:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Longest continually used model name
Revised statement "...This 42-year period made Ambassador the longest continually used model name in automotive history...". Likely true in 1974 when it was discontinued.


 * Chrysler New Yorker name was used continuously from 1939-1994 - 56 model years
 * Buick LeSabre, 1959-2005 - 47 model years
 * Pontiac Bonneville, 1957-2005 - 49 model years
 * Pontiac Grand Prix, 1962-2007 - 46 model years
 * Ford Mustang, 1965-2007 - 43 model years

There's no doubt others. 65.207.214.134 05:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do these figures for the Ambassador and New Yorker account for no cars produced from model year 1943-45 (or so)? AMCKen (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

1974 and nameplate run
The 1974 Ambassador was not "completely restyled", as the article says. It received new front fenders, hood, front fascia, bumpers, rear fascia, and instrument panel. While the look of the car changed, it was less "completely restyled" than the transition from, say, 1959 to 1960 or 1964 to 1965.

Also, the Matador's front wheels were four inches closer to the cowl than the Ambassador's, since the Matador's wheelbase was 118", and the Ambassador's was 122". In order for the Matador's wheels to be six inches closer to the cowl, as the article says, it'd have to have had a 116" wheelbase.

One more note...I don't think it's misleading at all to note that the Ambassador nameplate has been around since 1927. It may have become its own official model in 1932. But if we count Javelin, Hornet, Concord, and Spirit AMXs as AMXs, then the 1927-31 "Ambassadors" should be counted as Ambassadors. And, in that light, the Ambassador name was in continuous use for 48 seasons, not 42.

If no one objects, I'll change the info.Rhettro76 19:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Overhaul
Though the page was well-written, its information wasn't as clear, complete, and organized as it could have been. It's now organized by year and bodyshell, which helps, IMO. The older version was organized by brand marketing, which can be rather confusing, since the car was redesigned or stood pat as marketing schemes changed. So the article as updated reflects the history of the car, and includes the history of the nameplate with its marketing scheme changes included and explained, as well.

We could stand to include more pictures, especially of 1961-64 and 1974 models, while the link for the 1970 needs to be either fixed or changed. Thanks. Rhettro76 02:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice job! Thank you for this better presentation! CZmarlin 03:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Consumer Reports said "Not Acceptable"
Elsewhere in English Wikipedia, it is said, "In the July 1978 issue, Consumer Reports rated the Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon automobile "not acceptable", the first car it had judged such since the AMC Ambassador in 1968." CR does not do this often to an automobile. I think this should be discussed in the section on the appropriate model ('68? '69?). The reasons that CR gave should be clearly summarized. The response from AMC should also be summarized. If AMC ultimately did anything to address the problem, that should be stated, too. — Solo Owl (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The magazine gave the entire 1968 Ambassador line a "poor" rating because one of the cars they tested spilled some gasoline from the overflow vent during severe brake testing. The manufacturing error on the vehicle was corrected. Other than the overreaction by the magazine editors, this is hardly worth mentioning in an encyclopedia article for this automobile. CZmarlin (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * One more footnote: According to the opinion of Consumer Reports, they also found the factory-installed "head restraint" (now known as a headrest) in their test AMC Ambassador a "too compressible" to provide good whiplash protection. Please bear in mind that this was long before the implementation of stringent safety standards and regulations. AMC was on the forefront of building numerous safety features into their cars, including headrests and a tandem master brake cylinder starting in 1962 (six years before U.S. safety regulations made them mandatory). Among the standard full-sized cars in 1968, only the AMC Ambassador and Ford Galaxie had standard lighted identification of all driver controls and switches. This made for safer driving at night, because the U.S. Federal standard 101 for "clear identification" was interpreted by other automakers as visible in daytime only. Yes, the times and expectations have come a long way from 1968. To judge a problem that CR had with one car as pertaining to all of them spilling fuel at panic stops from 60 mph is not appropriate, and surely would not be done by the publisher today without a very thorough investigation. CZmarlin (talk) 02:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

287 in Ambassador
I took the references to the 287 in the 63 Ambassador out, and removed the 287 from the engine chart. I checked all my 63 and 64 sales brochures. The 287 was never put in the Ambassador from the factory. It was designed specifically for the Classic due to dealer pressure to return a V-8 to the Classic line after the 250 was phased out after the 61 model year. The only V-8 Ramblers were Ambassadors for 1962 and most of 1963. The 287 came out late in 63 model year in the Classic only. Farna (talk) 01:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

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