Talk:APS underwater rifle

Firing rate vs depth?
Where did the idea that the firing rate changes with depth come from? I'd like to see a citation, because it sounds like BS to me. Steel and water are practically incompressable at these pressures, and there's no evidence of trapped air.

Of course, the firing rate may be different when wet than when dry, but that's a different issue. 01:31, 30 June 2007 User:66.27.139.204

Alleged "original research"
Night Gyr's last edit "23:10, 17 February 2006 Night Gyr (merged in fictional content and tagged original research, the statements about frogmen and such need citations)".

I cannot have done any original research on this subject, as I have never fired or handled an APS rifle anywhere and I have never fired any firearm underwater.

Is the query about this paragraph?:- "It has appeared in fiction, such as the role playing game Twilight 2000, which included an American made copy known as the Mk 37 Mod 0 Underwater Assault Rifle or Frogman Stinger. However, no American version of the weapon is known to exist in the real world."

Anthony Appleyard 22:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Cartridge?

 * Does anyone have a picture of the cartridge and/or projectile? Such a unique device such as this might benefit from one. 23:48, 16 June 2006 User:198.236.216.252
 * a quick google search turned up these. I'm not sure what the deal is with the copyright stuff, so you guys can figure that out.
 * http://picdb.thaimisc.com/benjapol/5131-9.jpg
 * http://www.municion.org/5_66x39_5/apsG.jpg
 * http://www.municion.org/5_66x39_5/5_66G.jpg
 * Here's the google translated copyright info from municion.org

INFORMATION ON COPYRIGHT:

All the images of this Web, except for which they indicate the opposite, are property of webmaster. One authorizes the copy and diffusion of the same ones without more limitation than the obligation to mention and to connect the source. The rest of images has been yielded by their authors, and must request authorization by email. A reduced number of images subsists whose titularidad I do not know. They are being replaced by own images. The limited drawings of cartridges are generated by several programs of software, and their creators authorization of or proprietor reproduce with. Basically they come from: Ecra Caliber Data Viewer, MSelect and Cartwin.
 * 01:40, 30 June 2007 User:66.27.139.204

Cartridge type

 * the link on 5.66 x 39 mm MPS redirects back to the main article. 05:38, 15 June 2007 User:222.152.69.189

AK-47 Based?
Nwilde (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The base cartridge would seem to be the 5.45x39mm best known for use in the AK-74 and its many derivatives (not the 7.62x39mm used in the AK-47). More importantly, the APS is known to have been designed by Simonov, not Kalashnikov.  The unique problems associated with firing underwater and the creative solutions necessary to solve them would seem to point to this being a stand-alone design, not "derived" from any particular existing weapon and certainly not from a Kalashnikov design; that is at best an insult to V. Simonov.  Thus, it seems quite obvious that the APS is wholly unique and not a "derivative of the AK47"; that statement is certainly misleading and, I believe, incorrect.

From Russia with loli

 * Look what that japanese Black Lagoon (anime) bigtits scuba Bond Girl is clutching:
 * http://tomopop.com/ul/10328-/c097-550x.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.82.34.26 (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. While there doesn't seem to be any case made in terms of WP:AT, there's no opposition and no significant history at the target, but enough history to make a technical request necessary. So I'm treating it as that. (What a nasty piece of work that gun looks, almost enough to make you a pacifist on its own.) Andrewa (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

APS amphibious rifle → APS underwater rifle – It can be used on land, but with submachine gun range; when firing on land its system resource is also decreases several times. So it can't be considered a truly amphibious firearms like ADS. G_PViB (talk) 17:05, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Article title
I'm hoping that the new name will stick, but in case it doesn't here are some observations.

Firstly, strictly this isn't a rifle at all. It's a smoothbore.

But second and most important, this sort of accuracy issue (and the sort that seems to have motivated the RM above) is not terribly relevant according to official Wikipedia article name policy. What we're primarily interested in is what people do call it, not what they should call it however well that might be argued. What they should call it is a topic for discussion and promotion elsewhere on the WWW, but not at Wikipedia. Here we just reflect what is accomplished elsewhere. Andrewa (talk) 15:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Not only fictional

 * See http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/09/call-of-duty-ghosts-underwater-guns-actually-work-in-real-life . Someone saw APS's in game footage for the Call of Duty: Ghosts videogame and routinely thought that were videogame fictional weapons; then he watched game footage being filmed and so found that working APS's exist in the real world also. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC)