Talk:ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (V-2)

Comments
Per WikiProject Ships, this should have its own article. If nothing else, the sidebar box will have 1970s-era Argentine numbers (such as types of aircraft), not 1945 RN numbers. Stan 16:27, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Merge (2007)
Totally agree. Each ship "incarnation" should have its own article, cross-referenced to cover the whole history of the vessel. I've posted the same comment in "Karel Doorman" and "Venerable" discussion pages. DPdH 13:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE POST COMMENTS ON THE MERGE DISCUSSION PAGE AT :  Talk:HNLMS Karel Doorman (R81)


 * The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Catapult overhaul?
I had pretty good information suggesting that the 25 de Mayo's catapult was under overhaul in (of all places!) Scotland during the Falklands; as a result she was unable to take an active part in the war. Can someone confirm or deny this? I actually have a photo of the ship tied up and looking very sad, and the caption says that this is the ship during the "Malvinas conflict," and that "she is today a considerably more capable ship" (written in the late 1980s).

Johno (talk) 15:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't know where you got that from but its nonesense. In 1982, she led a group North of the Falklands as part of a pincer movement on the British task force, so she was nowhere near Scotland.  And after the war the arms embargo on Argentina would have precluded any work in Scotland.  Justin talk 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

My recent additions to "Further reading"
So there are no doubts why I've added the following books to the list in "Further reading": The first was included because it's IMHO a useful compendium of (most?) aircraft carriers built, projected, and in service. And it includes the "25 de Mayo". As other books in the list may not be available to all readers of the wikiarticle, I believe it is useful to mention this book and adds value to the reader. The second, because is one of the very few (AFAIK) monographies/books devoted to this ship, and it contains interesting (IMHO) details, both historical and technical; as well as pics and diagrams (most in the CD-ROM attached to the book). It is relevant, although in spanish. It could be used as a basis for further expansion of this article (something I intend to do, if and when I have time for that). Hopefully my action will not trigger another dispute. Thanks & kind regards, DPdH (talk) 08:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ireland, Bernard (2005). The Illustrated Guide to Aircraft Carriers of the World. London: Hermes House. ISBN 1-84477-747-2.
 * Secondi, Martín; Jorge A. Leguizamón (1999). "25 de Mayo Portaaviones". Buenos Aires, Argentina: Ayer y Hoy Ediciones. pp. 72. ISBN 987-9249-06-2. (in spanish)


 * You don't need to add the Ireland book back to "Further Reading", as I've cited it from it in several places in the text, so it is now a reference. I purposely did not contact you as I have the Ireland book (and have read it), and felt it was entirely a justifiable addition. Btw, 3 admins from MILHIST/WPSHIPS support your addition of the book in the first place as acceptable per the guidelines on Further reading sections. If it becomes a problem again, I'll make sure they all know about it. Thanks for the additions, and I look forward to any expansions in the future. - BillCJ (talk) 09:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * My mistake again! Didn't notice that Ireland's book have been already used as a reference, very happy for that. As for Secondi's book (the one in spanish), if I had time I'd use it as a key reference for expanding this article (actually I own a copy of it). The only issue now is time... Cheers, DPdH (talk) 01:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Mis-match between content : ex-Venerable and ex-Vengeance
QUESTION - Why do the two respective Wikipedia entries for + ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (V-2) was an aircraft carrier in the Argentine Navy and adopt the same content format ?? SINCE, previously they apparently were respectively each a British Colossus-class aircraft carrier : +  Royal Navy as HMS Venerable and the Royal Netherlands Navy as HNLMS Karel Doorman and 180.200.141.73 (talk) 08:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1)  NAeL Minas Gerais (pennant number A 11) was a carrier operated by the Marinha do Brasil (MB, Brazilian Navy)
 * 1)  as HMS Vengeance


 * There is no mismatch, both ships were Colossus class, HMS Venerable was sold to the Netherlands and renamed Karel Doorman then later re-sold to Argentina and renamed ARA Veinticinco de Mayo. HMS Vengeance was sold to Brazil and renamed NAeL Minas Gerais.  Different ships, different histories.  No mismatch. -  Nick Thorne  talk  23:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Battle between aircraft carriers
This article describes in the Falklands War section an attempt to launch a strike on 1 May 1982 against the Royal Navy Task Force, which would have been the first battle between aircraft carriers since World War II. It is an interesting statement, one deserving of further study, especially since there does not appear to be a reference to this occurrence in any major work on the Falklands War.

Unfortunately, the article lacks a citation for this statement. Would it be possible for this statement to be substantiated by reference to some work? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.33.207 (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2018 (UTC)