Talk:ASEA (American company)

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Since this is a page about a commercial organisation I think special care should be taken in formulating the texts. In the chapter "Assessing effectiveness" is a text that sounds a little too enthusiastic: "Last autum a very unique scientifalcal gene study was done by the Taueret laboratories with a sensational outcome.". Shouldn't that text be changed? Black Raven (talk) 07:13, 27 August 2018 (UTC) Ok, now that text has been removed; great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZwarteRaaf (talk • contribs) 19:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Attempts to hide critical information
Not sure if this warrants a new discussion heading, but since it's 2+ years later I thought it alright (I'm new to editing). An anonymous user attempted to hide criticism of ASEA products and the ASEA company, namely that of Harriet Hall and what was done by Italy. This was done by using the hide tags, rather than deleting the text (I assume to avoid automatic reversals). This was done across about three edits earlier today (22/03/2021). I've unhidden them, and added a source for one of Harriet Hall's quotations (which I do believe was added earlier, but possibly again removed). If this is better handled in another way don't hesitate to tell me. Chronque (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Critical information is being removed - endangering neutrality
I'm not a very experienced Wikipedia editor, but I noticed that earlier posted critical information about the ASEA product is (persistently) being removed - which means that the information is losing its neutrality (only positive and no critical information sounds biased to me - especially since its about an (expensive) alternative health product). I'm trying to "protect" the page against it (although already part of the critical information is lost), but that means that I now seem to be in an edit-war - but luckily the edit-war seems to have stopped (original text from Oct 2018, this update from Jan 2019). What should be done? (what should I have done?)

The text I'm trying to protect:

Physician Harriet Hall has reviewed the scientific literature related to the assessment of ASEA as a dietary supplement, noting that there is no acceptable published evidence to confirm that it has any health benefits in humans.[8]

This with the following reference: ''[8] Harriet, Hall. "Did Salt Water Supplement Regenerate Baby's Heart Valve?". Skeptical Inquirer. Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. Retrieved 21 July 2018.''

Earlier the article also contained the following text at the bottom:

Assessing effectiveness Medical doctor Harriett Hall has written about the effectiveness of the dietary supplement ASEA several times on the Science-Based Medicine website [25][26] and notes that "... there are testimonials galore; but there is no acceptable published evidence to confirm that it has any health benefits in humans."[8]

A link to the referenced article of Harriett Hall: https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/did_salt_water_supplement_regenerate_babys_heart_valve

Other information from Harriet Hall about ASEA: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/accused-of-lying-about-asea-not-guilty/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/update-on-asea-protandim-and-doterra/ Related responses: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/asea-still-selling-snake-oil/ https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/trust-me-evidence-is-coming/

Some links to other critical information about ASEA: http://www.healthychoicesformindandbody.org/MediSense_Article12083.asp https://www.lazymanandmoney.com/asea-scam/ https://doesitreallywork.org/asea/

Black Raven (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Black Raven (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Based on update history: in the last couple of months a lot of more critical information about this company/product has been removed; mainly by PaulEdwardMichael, Griffind056 and CanukSteve. Black Raven (talk) 18:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Update August 2020: Much critical information (including legal information) restored again. Black Raven (talk) 14:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

ASEA REDOX SUPPLEMENT (ARS) IN DUCHENNE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY (DMD)
A LIST OF PREPRINTS, CONFERENCE PAPERS AND ARTICLES (in English and/or Romanian) ON ASEA REDOX SUPPLEMENT (ARS) AND DUCHENNE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY (DMD) BY DR. ANDREI-LUCIAN DRĂGOI (www.dragoii.com) (listed in the chronological order of their publication)

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (May 2018). (ASEA in DMD preprint - 1st case – version 1.1 – 1.08.2018 – 13 pages) The clinical and biological effects of ASEA ionized water /”redox supplement” (co-administered with L-carnitine and omega-3 fatty acids plus multivitamins dietary supplements) in a ~3-year-old boy with Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD) from Romania – a case report. Research Gate preprint. DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.21420.36486. URL (Research Gate source). The article based on this preprint was published in July 20th, 2019 under the title “The Remarkable Effects of “ASEA redox Supplement” In A Child with Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy – A Case Report” in the Canadian Journal of Biomedical Research and Technology (CJBRT) 2019; volume 1, issue 4:8. URLs: URL1a, URL1b, URL1c (CJBRT original sources); URL2 (Research Gate source)

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (July 2019). (ASEA in DMD article – 1st case - CJBRT article - 20.07.2019) The Remarkable Effects of “ASEA redox Supplement” In A Child with Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy – A Case Report, Canadian Journal of Biomedical Research and Technology (CJBRT) 2019; volume 1, issue 4:8. ISSN: 2582-3663. URLs: URL1a, URL1b, URL1c (CJBRT original sources); URL2a (Research Gate source); URL2b & URL2c (Academia sources); URL2d (Vixra source); URL3 (Research Gate preprint source). See also the newly released related add-on paper (RG preprint) The 1st case report on the remarkable effects of “ASEA Redox Supplement” (ARS) in a boy with Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD) – periodic updates released after 20.07.2019 (the date of the official case publication in a peer-reviewed journal) (DOI 10.13140/RG.2.2.23141.76002, URL of RG preprint).

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (August 30th, 2019). (ASEA in DMD 2nd case preprint - v.1.0 - 30.08.2019 - 10 pages) A Second Case Report Regarding the Effects of "ASEA redox Supplement" in a ~5-year old boy with Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy from Bucharest, Romania (preprint). Research Gate preprint with DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.18399.41128. URL1a (Research Gate main source), URL1b (Academia secondary source), URL1c (Vixra secondary source), URL1d (dragoii.com latest variant source), URL1e (GSJ secondary source).

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (November 2nd, 2019). (Asea in DMD – conferința Râmnicu Sărat - 45 slides - 2.11.2019) Efectele remarcabile ale suplimentului redox "Asea"® în 2 cazuri de distrofie musculară Duchenne la copil și potențialul terapeutic al Asea în bolile acute și cronice cu o importantă componentă de stres oxidativ celular. Presentation and conference paper also published on Research Gate with DOI (of RG presentation): 10.13140/RG.2.2.28023.78240 [URL2]. URL1a (Research Gate main source; see also URL1aa), URL1b (Academia secondary source). URL1c (Vixra secondary source), URL1d (GSJ secondary source), URL1e (dragoii.com latest variant source).

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (November 23rd, 2019). (Ataluren in DMD - version 1.0 - 23.11.2019 - 5 A4 pages) A proposed extension of Ataluren indications (with future deserved studies) in patients with Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD) caused by frameshift mutations of dystrophin gene associated with abnormal premature termination codons (PTCs) at distance from the site of that given frameshift mutation. Research Gate preprint with DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.21648.76804. URL1a (Research Gate main source), URL1b (Academia secondary source). URL1c (Vixra secondary source), URL1d (GSJ secondary source), URL1e (dragoii.com latest variant source).

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (April 24th, 2020). (ASEA in DMD 3rd case preprint - v.1.0 - 24.04.2020 - 10 A4 pages) A Third Case Report Regarding the Effects of "ASEA redox Supplement" in a ~3-year old boy with Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy from town Slobozia, Romania (preprint). Research Gate preprint with DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.26419.99367. URL1a (Research Gate main source), URL1b (Academia secondary source). URL1c (Vixra secondary source). URL1d (GSJ source). URL1e (dragoii.com latest variant source).

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (October 20th, 2020). (ARS in DMD poster created for the conference fiziologie2020.ro - 20.10.2020) The remarkable effects of the "Asea™ redox supplement" (ARS) in 3 cases of children with Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD) and the therapeutic potential of ARS in treating cellular oxidative stress (COS). e-poster also submitted as Research Gate preprint with DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.17325.51688. URL1a (Research Gate main source), URL1b (Academia secondary source), Volume of congress abstracts (URL2), Page of congress e-posters (URL2)

Andrei-Lucian Drăgoi (October 22nd, 2020). (ANSA/NADS in COVID-19 and other respiratory diseases - PowerPoint presentation created for the SRP congress https://www.congres-srp.ro - 22.10.2020) Activatorii de NRF2 suplimente alimentare (ANSA) – propunere de studii clinice în România pentru testarea ANSA ca adjuvanți în infecțiile agresive de cai respiratorii inferioare (inclusiv COVID-19) ale adultilor si copiilor (Romanian version with many cited articles in English). PowerPoint presentation also submitted as Research Gate preprint with DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.11623.88485. URL1a (Research Gate main source), URL1b (Academia secondary source). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.79.100.137 (talk) 15:22, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.dragoi (talk • contribs) 17:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Unacceptable sources removed
I removed the following sources (and some of the related content).

Primary sources:

Unrelated (doesn't mention Asea):

Unreliable sources:

Fails verification:

dsnblog.com is not an independent reliable source. About all you can use that for (uncontroversially) is to say they moved to a new facility.

▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)