Talk:ASL19

Remove Name of Director and possibly the entire Controversy section
As per WP:BLPCRIME: '' A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. ''

That by itself is enough to completely remove the controversy section, at least until someone rewrites it unbiased.

I removed, but User:SunDawn keeps reverting.

Note that the allegations are from 2017. I have personally seen the judge order from July 2018, where it says "not guilty nf all charges". Yet that has not been reported anywhere, so I cannot reference it.

—behdad (talk) 03:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, I think I could agree to remove Bangi from the article, but what ASL19 is doing, such as settling with a female employee on 2014, how they cut ties with Bangi after the allegation, how they find Coda Societies after the debacle, how they lose their partnership, should stay.
 * I propose the section to be changed into:
 * An investigative reportage by The Verge and an open letter from anonymous former female employees who alleged workplace abuse and harassment. A freedom of information request from Ontario courts showed that allegations of abuse and sexual assault has occurred within the workplace, while ASL19 managing staffs were often complicit in covering up the alleged abuse. In one case the organisation sought out a non-disclosure agreement as early as 2015 to cover up allegations of sexual assault and harassment in the workplace. Digital rights organisation Access Now terminated their partnership with ASL19 for their RightsCon summit series in December 2017. Access Now stated they will only reengage with ASL19 once they "feel confident that any reports of misconduct have been investigated and there has been an appropriate response." The Rights Con code of conduct team has yet to change this policy.
 * The change removed all references to Bangi. SunDawn  talk  04:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you . Here's my edited version of yours:
 * An investigative reportage by The Verge and an open letter from anonymous former female employees alleged workplace abuse and harassment existed within the organization. A freedom of information request from Ontario human rights tribunal demonstrated that an allegation of abuse and sexual assault has occurred within the workplace, while ASL19 managing staffs were allegedly complicit in covering up the alleged abuse. In the one reported case the organisation sought out a non-disclosure agreement. Digital rights organisation Access Now terminated their partnership with ASL19 for their RightsCon summit series in December 2017. Access Now stated they will only reengage with ASL19 once they "feel confident that any reports of misconduct have been investigated and there has been an appropriate response." The organization has yet to change this policy.
 * —behdad (talk) 16:32, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would agree to this change. Would you please do the change? Thanks. SunDawn  talk  00:34, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually enquired about the case at the Ontario human rights tribunal case; apparently it was about a alleged claim of discriminatory termination; it had nothing to do with alleged sexual assault or other abuse. The case was resolved and settled mutually. That's all. Any conclusion made is biased and needs to be removed as well. —behdad (talk) 16:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)