Talk:ATG Javelin

This page needs a lot of work. It reads like an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.213.52.39 (talk) 14:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The website says something about a pressurized cabin. Is this only on the civilian version? --Gbleem 12:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, but I'll be in Reno for the air races tomorrow; it's been on display in the past, and if ATG is there again I'll see what I can find out. ericg ✈ 17:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The production aircraft, both civilian and military, will be pressurized. faster.than.kudzu 20:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The Reno display had no staff and was the same mockup that's been there for the past three years. ericg ✈ 22:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

New Image
I just happen to have a full view of the Javelin I took at Reno's Air Show, last September. I took the liberty to replace the partial image that was there before. It's in fact the same plane, new paint job. --Calyponte 05:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Front Range Airport
This airport is not in Denver; the phrasing "Denver's Front Range Airport" is incorrect. I have previously made an edit replacing "Denver's" with "nearby", but it was quickly reverted by another editor. If you disagree with this edit, please discuss here. -- Watkinsian (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See the article on the airport...and the first ref there. You need to understand that there's more to life than just the maps you're using for refs. The FAA considers Front Range as a Denver-serving airport.  AK Radecki Speaketh  05:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, though I don't appreciate being talked down to. Just because you are an administrator here doesn't mean you have to tell other editors what to do - e.g. "you need to understand".

That having been said, I fully understand that the airport serves Denver. But just because it serves Denver, doesn't mean it is "Denver's". That implies that the City and County of Denver owns or operates it. It implies that it is located in the City and County of Denver. Both of those implications are false.

As much as Front Range Airport serves Denver, so does Centennial Airport. Yet in the same sentence, we would be leading readers to believe that one of the differences between the two airports is that one belongs to Englewood and the other belongs to Denver. Neither is true. If we are saying "Denver's Front Range Airport", we should also be saying "Denver's Centennial Airport". All of this is avoided by simply removing the possessive reference, as I did with my edit.

There is also "more to life" than the FAA and its worldview.

Watkinsian (talk) 06:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if you think I'm talking down to you because I'm an admin. You have been told multiple times by multiple editors that reading maps is akin to OR, and yet you seen to persist in it, in other words, you either don't understand or don't want to accept this. Yes, there is more to the life than the the FAA (though in some parts of aviation that's not true), but the FAA is a direct reference, in other words, they are saying something that we can report. When you reference a map, you are the one saying something, and that is OR. The map supports your assertion, but it is not a direct source that says what you're saying. That's a critical difference, because we are not a repository of origninal research or analysis, we essentially parrot what other reliable sources say.  AK Radecki Speaketh  17:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Design age?
My brain wants to say a very similar aircraft (also named Javelin?) appeared in the news section of Air International circa 1993, but I can't recall the details... - The Bushranger One ping only 04:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ATG were only formed in 1998 to develop the design, although they could have picked up an earlier idea. MilborneOne (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Mm, that's what I figured. I just wish I could recall the details of that old AI blurb, it was a pretty interesting aircraft. (It was in the issue that had the years' Farnborough airshow report with the Tu-22M and such, as I recall.) - The Bushranger One ping only 18:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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