Talk:A Christmas Carol (Doctor Who)/Archive 1

Father who ?
Given this source, I strongly suspect that the episode title is Father who ?, but this is only implicit so I don't think it can be written. Hektor (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think they're just trying to be cute, so I wouldn't include that. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Why delete?
Why delete this page? It details an upcoming episode of Doctor Who, and will presumably be updated with new content after the episode airs. Until then, it's good for giving some background information about the episode. However, I would consider renaming it to "Doctor Who Christmas Special 2010" - TALL e N  talk 15:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The deletion review is at Articles for deletion/2010 Christmas special (Doctor Who). The name of the article is by convention (eg 2008 Christmas special (Doctor Who) and 2009 Christmas specials (Doctor Who). There's guidance on this somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment. Edgepedia (talk) 05:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Airdate
Can't we already add "25 December" as airdate of the special? I mean, it's Christmas Special, after all, and all past Christmas Specials aired on 25 December... --SimoneMLK (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It will probably be on the 25th but we won't know fore sure until the schedulers book it in for that date. We won't know until about two weeks before Christmas Day. -- TwentiethApril1986  (want to talk?)  17:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a comment, but from a completely pedantic POV, the best time to edit in the date is after it airs. That is, from Wikipedia's POV, the information doesn't have to be updated ASAP.  But in less strict terms, waiting until the air date is listed, as mentioned above, has been the common practice. DonQuixote (talk) 03:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * BBC America have confirmed on their Twitter page that it will broadcast on their channel on Christmas Day. See http://twitter.com/bbcamerica/status/4932209781772288. And on the http://bbcamerica.com/ homepage it says it will broadcast at 9 PM Eastern Standard Time. -- TwentiethApril1986  (want to talk?)  17:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for once they're showing the episodes on the same day. Crimsonraptor (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Sixth? Or Seventh?
Doesn't the End Of Time Part II count as a Christmas Special? It was a special, and it was shown at Christmas. Or are both episodes lumped together as one two part "special"? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 08:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The End of Time was one story told in two parts. -- TwentiethApril1986  (want to talk?)  13:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And Part II was (arguably) not shown at Christmas. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  prorogation  ─╢ 22:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

my edits
I tried very hard not to add or remove anything, I just wanted to make the plot summary a bit more readable, break up some of the run-ons, rearrange some of the phrases, etc. I did move the revelation of Abigail's secret closer to where we actually learned it on this side of the TV. And like I said, kudos to whomever came up with "unbeknownst" — great word choice. Jeff (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

soundtrack question
Do we know if it was in fact Katherine Jenkins on the soundtrack while Abigail was singing? One would think so, and indeed, it would seem notable if it weren't. Or if it is, for that matter. Jeff (talk) 07:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Since it will be her singing on the CD release I presume it was her singing in the episode as well. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  condominium  ─╢ 09:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

On the Confidential after this episode, it was mentioned that Abigail's Song is an original piece composed for this episode by Murray Gold. There are interesting hints in the lyrics, e.g. 'silence is all you hear', that may refer to the story arc from this and the previous series. 193.113.57.165 (talk) 10:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Are the lyrics available? I found them a bit tough to pick out, even with captioning on. Jeff (talk) 11:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

BBC America ratings?
Given that it is the first Doctor Who Christmas special to also be aired Christmas Day in the US, US ratings would be interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.76.105 (talk) 23:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Infobox image
Clearly, just a shot of the Doctor and Kazran isn't going to cut it per NFCC. It is likely going to be something involving the flying fish, and most likely the shark, as at least there is some evidence (still looking for best reliable source) that Moffat specifically included a flying shark due to a childhood fear of that possibly happening, and that it is the most unique thing about the episode. --M ASEM (t) 19:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? Why isn't a screenshot showing the episode's primary characters interacting sufficient? I would think the shark would be more problematic, as it's such a distinctive image. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Arguably, as neither Smith or Gambon are in makeup or the like, and even Smith's Doctor looking the same, a non-free image of them in the same shot is replaceable (and if we are going that way, there's at least one better shot of Smith and both guest roles on a Guardian article I just saw) and doesn't enhance the reader's understanding. At least picturing either the shark entering the bedroom, or the shark-driven carriage ride at the end, you are showing something that does not happen in our reality and captures something that we should be able to source about how Moffat wrote this episode. --M ASEM  (t) 19:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

miser? spire?
Do we know he's a miser? He's mean and evil (like that little ol' boll weevil), sure, but "miser" means something specific. I didn't see any Scrooge McDuck-like behavior. I vote to take it out. Jeff (talk) 07:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I took another look, and I'm still not seeing "miser"; other than the point of the loans, money isn't mentioned at all. Changing back. Jeff (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, I don't think we know that he landed the TARDIS in the spire. I wasn't even quite sure I could say he landed on the roof. All we really know is we heard the TARDIS and the Doctor came down the chimney. I inferred roof from that, but that's open to interpretation. I don't see any evidence for "in the spire". Jeff (talk) 07:22, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto Jeff (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Otherwise, btw, I thought your edits were well considered. Jeff (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

One more thing: I had been using "Kazran" sometimes and "Sardick" other times for stylistic reasons, to break up what I saw as monotony. I guess you saw it as inconsistency. Good enough. Jeff (talk) 07:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

London safe for a change
I note that this is the first Xmas special that didn't involve London being invaded by some nasty alien. Might be worth adding (kind of a break in format) if some citable source, a review or something, mentions it. Jeff (talk) 07:09, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * London wasn't invaded in Voyage of the Damned either. See WP:OR - we eb il oo bi l  ( talk ) 11:59, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. Although if the Titanic had gone down, it would have crashed into Earth. Now (I'll check), was "Voyage..." strictly an Xmas special, or one of the hour-long episodes in the abbreviated 2008 season? If the latter, my thesis still holds. Jeff (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * However, it appears to be the former. The abbreviated season came after the Catherine Tate season, in 2009. Jeff (talk) 01:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The ship in "Voyage of the Damned" nearly hit Buckingham Palace, which is in london, if The Doctor didn't do anything it would have crashed into London, so London was not safe in that episode. Technically not invaded, but almost crashed into. Anyway, this would be a synthesis.  X  eworlebi (talk) 01:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

4398
How do we know it is 4398 ??? Did I miss something ? Hektor (talk) 07:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I second the question. I just looked at the opening scenes, there's no date that I saw. Jeff (talk) 00:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was wondering that too, I didn't hear it mentioned in the episode either. Apparently, however, some bright spark noted that on the portrait of Kazran's father it says "Elliot Sardick 4305-4378" & the Doctor states that he died twenty years earlier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_Doctor_Who_universe#cite_note-106  Cheers, Swampy 123.200.199.51 (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's blatant synthesis ("20 years" needn't be precise at all!) and is just about to be removed... ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  prorogation  ─╢ 17:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

First broadcast on the same day in the UK and North America?
Wasn't the 2005 series broadcast the same night in the UK and Canada, because the CBC co-produced it, and aired it on Saturdays in lieu of Hockey Night in Canada (off the air due to the NHL lockout)? 68.145.43.220 (talk) 20:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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Plot: Why the controls no longer work
I think the Doctor said it was because Kazran's thought patterns were so radically different the controls no longer recognized him as Kazran, not because his father no longer trusted him. Can anyone verify? --12.106.209.61 (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That was how i saw it as well. I think the current part is wrong 85.210.67.171 (talk) 03:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The key line is "Your father would have never programmed it for the man you are now". --M ASEM  (t) 03:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Does it bother anyone else that the machine that controls the ice clouds and presumably keeps everyone safe from the cloud fish can NO LONGER BE CONTROLLED?! The Doctor has left this planet with a climate control system that no longer works, and left Kazran with not only a dead love, but he has lost his position of power as well, since he can no longer use the organ. SeldomWrong (talk) 03:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It should be interesting to here whether there have been any statements from those involved as to thet. But maybe it is not all that bad: Perhaps he will set free those in the ice and change his way of living (and we have not seen what has changed meanwhile anyhow, as he as a child was present now, too). Also, it was pointed out earlier in the episode that there were people around (not sure which word was used in English, if I retranslate, it might have been gypsies) who knew how to sing to the fish. Maybe they can continue to control the atmosphere through singing and, sooner or later, find a way to do it without the resonance of the sonic screw driver. There would also still be time to record her voice. Or someone around the world could have recorded it. One could continuously broadcast, whenever a quiet atmosphere was needed. --Deus et esse idem. (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)